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Re: Unveiling the first-ever image of a black hole [video]

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Is black hole a 3D object like a sun? If so, I assume the light in the event horizon cover the whole object, i mean 3D shaped as well. How the picture taken from the telescope shown the dark area where the black hole is located? I mean, shouldn’t the whole black hole covered by the light thus we can’t see the black hole?

I think the 'glow' around the black hole you are thinking about is a light that was bent by gravity but hasn't gotten to event horizon.

Re: Unveiling the first-ever image of a black hole [video]

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post #397

Is black hole a 3D object like a sun? If so, I assume the light in the event horizon cover the whole object, i mean 3D shaped as well. How the picture taken from the telescope shown the dark area where the black hole is located? I mean, shouldn’t the whole black hole covered by the light thus we can’t see the black hole?

It almost looks like a sun eclipse.

Re: Unveiling the first-ever image of a black hole [video]

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It's actually in a galaxy called Messier 87 which is 55 million lightyears away.

Oh, interesting! Wouldn't it be easier to photograph our own? :-)

M87's black hole is currently eating something big, which makes it brighter. The black hole at the center of the milky way doesn't seem to have eaten anything lately, so it's accretion disk may be small or nonexistent.

Re: Unveiling the first-ever image of a black hole [video]

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post #397

Is black hole a 3D object like a sun? If so, I assume the light in the event horizon cover the whole object, i mean 3D shaped as well. How the picture taken from the telescope shown the dark area where the black hole is located? I mean, shouldn’t the whole black hole covered by the light thus we can’t see the black hole?

The black hole itself is spherical, but the light we're seeing around it isn't projected by the event horizon; rather, it's light from behind/around the black hole that isn't blocked. This video explains in much more detail: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUyH3XhpLTo

Re: Unveiling the first-ever image of a black hole [video]

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It's actually in a galaxy called Messier 87 which is 55 million lightyears away.

Oh, interesting! Wouldn't it be easier to photograph our own? :-)

Nope. The view of our own galaxy's supermassive black hole is completely obstructed by matter within our own galaxy. You can't see to the core of our galaxy; it's too dense. You'd have to send a rocket quite some distance outside of the galactic plane to get a good view of it.

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Nope, for the same reason we had photos of the Moon before we had photos of Earth.

Can you expand on this?

What they're saying is that we had to send a camera away from the Earth (in a rocket) in order to photograph it properly, and similarly you'd need to send a camera away from our galaxy (in a biiiig rocket) in order to be able to photograph it properly.

Re: Unveiling the first-ever image of a black hole [video]

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It doesn't sound like they just snapped a picture. The one guy says they used "supercomputers" for 6 months to get the image. Sunspots look black relative to the rest of the sun but are actually very bright. Could this be the same thing? How did they set the black level? Is there a description of the procedure somewhere? EDIT: Found the paper describing the data processing: https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.3847/…

Indeed, from what I gather from this thread and external links this “image” seems to be more of a plot than an image. In fact, are we looking at a matplotlib plot of the data with a “hot” colormap? The iopscience paper even references matplotlib. I’m just making some educated guesses here, but it’s still fun to think about. BTW: Python for the win! iopscience paper makes several references to Python tools (e.g., nump…

Another interesting thing about that iopscience paper is that you can turn MathJax on/off with a link at the top. Mathjax is off by default, but when you turn it on, you get a nicely rendered equation instead of a gif image.

Re: Unveiling the first-ever image of a black hole [video]

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What? You obviously didn't read what I wrote.

> "What? You obviously didn't read what I wrote. Are you ok?" You're ranting about Saturn and Jupiter for some reason. Why don't you calm down and look at page eight of the paper that Veritasium video was based on: https://ve42.co/luminet "Image of a spherical black hole with thin accretion disk Astronomy and Astrophysics, vol. 75, no. 1-2, May 1979, p. 228-235" Look at that last image, and squint at it until it gets…

Really awesome link, thanks for that! It's always interesting to see theory that is decades out in front of experimental confirmation, and then proves to be dead right.
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