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Facebook Loses Top Executives, Including Chris Cox

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As I just said, you're conflating the social network with Facebook the company. Instant feed-based communications with varying levels of follower/friendship levels is a new technology provided by many organizations. Some are massive monopolies and others are indie apps, it doesn't matter but the tech is not going away so yes, we the people will need to learn how to deal with it.

No, I’m not. Facebook’s scale and business practices is the problem, not the social graph or feed. Facebook sought to make friction re: sharing and signaling as low as possible. The result is obvious. But that outcome is not inevitable or fundamental to the technology, it’s a conscious engineering decision made by the firm. Unrestricted broadcast access was understood as a problem with radio 100 years ago. Society co…

So Twitter is fine? Reddit is fine? Youtube? Instagram? Whatsapp? Gab? Tumblr? Wechat? QQ? Snapchat? Sina Weibo? VKontakte?

If you're comparing to radio then it's back to talking about the medium instead of a specific company and the same fundamental problems are inherent in all of them because of the social feed concept allowing for instant communications spread through a graph of connections. We've never had this same model before. Radio had interference and physical limitations but digital networks allow ideas to spread with infinite capacity and following 1:1 conversations until they reach everyone.

Sure Facebook has made their own tweaks like every other network, and maybe regulation can solve some of those issues and get everyone to the same base utility, but that's going to be a very hard battle that's limited to certain regions and doesn't affect anything about the underlying communications concept.

We still need to learn to live with social media regardless of who is providing and in what variation.

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Yes, I think so too. But it sounds like he's renounced that. And of course, it could be bullshit to deflect criticism. Even so, I've done lots of work with est / Landmark Education, and some with Lifespring, Tony Robbins and NLP. So I'm familiar with concepts of building relationships with family and friends, and broader social networking and community building. And a major aspect of that it honesty and open sharing,…

Just as an FYI, Facebook have allowed signups through Tor for about 4-5 years now.

Yes, true. I've tested, but never actually used it. Because I never had a use for it. So I wonder if it eventually demands voice or text authentication.

Anyone know?

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In reality it's hard to get all of your friends and family to switch services, because all of their circles also have to change and most of them don't really care about the negatives of FB. In the end you end up with 10 different messengers. The big convenience about FB is that everyone is on it and you don't need their mobile phone number.

Not everyone is on FB and FB has been bleeding users to instagram, whatsapp and other internet services for a while now. I could say the same thing about WhatsApp really; everyone is on it so why switch to Facebook?

Everyone is on WA and i prefer it too, but I still need their mobile number, so it's more for close friends/family. I communicate with some coworkers i hang out with on Messenger because i haven't bothered to ask them for their number yet. However, i have definitely reduced my FB usage to an absolute minimum, which is mostly a couple of bigger groups I am part of. Instagram is kind of limited as a messenger. At the end of the day, be it FB, WA, IG ...it is still FB your giving your data to ;)

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I feel comparing big tobacco to a service that lets you talk with your friends and keep a timeline of your life is a bit disproportionate.

Most of my friends that still smoke will straight up tell you the only reason they do it is for the social interactions that happen while smoking. I don't think it's that different.

I hear most people only attend book clubs for social reasons too — are book clubs also as bad as tobacco companies?

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In reality it's hard to get all of your friends and family to switch services, because all of their circles also have to change and most of them don't really care about the negatives of FB. In the end you end up with 10 different messengers. The big convenience about FB is that everyone is on it and you don't need their mobile phone number.

Not everyone is on FB and FB has been bleeding users to instagram, whatsapp and other internet services for a while now. I could say the same thing about WhatsApp really; everyone is on it so why switch to Facebook?

Instagram and whatsapp ARE facebook..

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> ... then neither should the hate be justified? The hate is because they collect so much data, and share and sell it so carelessly. Google collects at least as much data, for sure. But as far as I know, they just monetize it through their ad services, and don't actually provide it to others.

Facebook doesn't sell data either. They monetize it just the same as google

Just 3 days ago, an investigation into Facebook data sales started. The NYTimes posted an article about it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/13/technology/facebook-data-...

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That's great for the ones that make that much, but this kind of information is what's causing Bay Area housing and rent prices to sky-rocket. I have worked with multiple engineers in two large corps and most people make anywhere between 100k and 200k.

So we should all just hide our salaries for the sake of the housing and rent prices?

No but we should be careful not to make it seem like 800k salaries are the norm.

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Not everyone is on FB and FB has been bleeding users to instagram, whatsapp and other internet services for a while now. I could say the same thing about WhatsApp really; everyone is on it so why switch to Facebook?

Instagram and whatsapp ARE facebook..

They are facebook the corporation, not facebook the website.

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> Advertising dollars are far more lucrative if you think you can trust where you're sharing your deepest, darkests... You mean like a Google search? If you don't mean a Google search, I'm not sure what you could mean. What could possibly be more intimate than a person's lifelong history of general queries in their pursuit of knowledge and personal identity? Oftentimes those queries are even natural language sentence…

> If you don't mean a Google search, I'm not sure what you could mean. If you're considering buying a motorcycle and have a friend (or a group of friends) that own(s) a motorcylce, are you more likely to ask that friend (or that group) the pros/cons of owning a motorcycle and for their recommendations or are you far more likely to use "nature language sentences" in Google to illicit that information (e.g.: "I'm think…

Who are the people that aren't already using gmail/facebook/apple to ask their friend group this question in the first place?

Regardless, it's pretty easy to infer from the person's Google searches what their friends told them. And if that user has an Android phone Google also has their location data to cross-reference with it, plus data gleaned from CC purchases and probably lots of other sources I haven't yet read about.

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Smartest people? Their tech stack is a dated cargo-culting of Google, hell, their newest thing is just using kubernetes with a thin wrapper. Their AI platform is a also ran in pretty much every aspect. Where exactly are the smart people?

FAIR is one of the most advanced AI research labs in the world. PyTorch has massively growing adoption because it is substantially better than the competitors and FAIR work consistently pushes the state of the art forward. Calling their AI work 'also ran' is ridiculous.

FAIR is just an advanced PUBLIC AI research lab.

Just because they're the best ones talking about what they're doing, doesn't mean they're anywhere near the best.

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