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Re: DuckDuckGo will use Apple Maps

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Post by choicenotchance »

acct1771 wrote: post #395
2bitencryption wrote: post #312

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> when they capture a significant market share. but they haven't built a better mousetrap, and they're up against the greatest mousetrap ever known to mankind

Eh...Google even 5 years ago was 10x more useful to me than they are now. No exaggeration. Even Search has become markedly less useful, a common story around here, to the point where even nonbubbled proxied Startpage.com searches are disappointing. Maps becomes less reliable all the time from a user perspective (in my immediate region, to cover my ass I guess). Chromecast and YouTube, in general and in conjunction, h…

What the hell have you been smoking? All those products are good except YouTube, which actually could use a rewrite.

Re: DuckDuckGo will use Apple Maps

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Post by paradoxparalax »

andrepd wrote: post #338
tyingq wrote: post #311

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Brin and Page pretty much say it's inevitable that a commerical search engine will succumb to "evil". The only solution they present is an academic/non-profit run search engine. http://infolab.stanford.edu/~backrub/google.html (scroll down to "Appendix A: Advertising and Mixed Motives")

The owners of a commercial search engine say that it's inevitable that a commercial search engine will succumb to evil. Hmmm.

Sorry for the offtopic, but Im interested in natural Language constructs like this way of using Hmmm. after a sentence. First I thought it was something from the Portuguese speakers, after more thinking I see maybe it is common of French speakers. Or maybe is common in the U.S. too, I have been there only few times. I found it very funny, and somewhat familiar. :ps: The wonders of having a search engine at anyone's hand.

Re: DuckDuckGo will use Apple Maps

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Post by drewmol »

kllrnohj wrote: post #346
setr wrote: post #260

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Apple’s main business is hardware, and software that helps sell the hardware. Any revenue from data is likely a seperate, minor stream; and for it to become a significant one, likely requires significant changes in Apple’s operations. Like any other hardware company, they don’t need google’s kind of data collection to make money. But DDG is primarily funded by search, and the search business is funded by ads, which a…

Apple collects and uses data all the time. Their marketing kind of claims they don't, but their privacy policy is very clear that they do. For example they continuously collect GPS position + list of WiFi APs from iPhone users to build their crowd-source'd wifi location database: "To provide location-based services on Apple products, Apple and our partners and licensees may collect, use, and share precise location da…

Also, Apple sells the default search provider space on their OS to Google for ~9B/year.

So, does it really matter if Apple doesn't directly operate their advertising business and instead outsources it?

Re: DuckDuckGo will use Apple Maps

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Post by shard »

iiv wrote: post #389
shard wrote: post #290

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First they came for the Chinese, and I did not speak out— Because I was not Chinese. Edit: Wikipedia link to original poem: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_.. .

More like "First the Chinese government came, and I did not speak out, because they don't care about anyone other than the Chinese."

Challenging your assumptions: 1. Does China only care about Chinese? 2. If the Chinese government was first, who will be second?

Re: DuckDuckGo will use Apple Maps

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Post by speedplane »

shard wrote: post #404
iiv wrote: post #389

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More like "First the Chinese government came, and I did not speak out, because they don't care about anyone other than the Chinese."

Challenging your assumptions: 1. Does China only care about Chinese? 2. If the Chinese government was first, who will be second?

The Chinese doesn't even care about the Chinese. Their care about the Communist Party. Everything else comes second.

Re: DuckDuckGo will use Apple Maps

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Post by Freak_NL »

Brakenshire wrote: post #251
Freak_NL wrote: post #129

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Definitely a severe regression in the Netherlands. Apple Maps doesn't even show houses, and has only a fraction of the POI's OpenStreetMap has. It doesn't have directions for bicycles either — and it leaves out a bunch of dedicated cycleways in my area. And the colours! All features seem to bleed into their low-contrast pastel neighbours. This doesn't feel like a proper match for DuckDuckGo at all.

Someone mentioned Qwant Maps upthread, I think that’s what I’ll use instead.

Qwant Maps is OpenStreetMap data with custom styling that makes it look more like Google/Apple/Bing Maps.

It's very pastellish.

Re: DuckDuckGo will use Apple Maps

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Post by Doctor_Fegg »

t0astbread wrote: post #399
briandear wrote: post #301

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> You can use, modify and share OSM data however you want. You are still free to do that with OSM. Not sure what that has to do with DDG. Just because they don't want to use OSM, doesn't change any of your rights to using OSM. > Apple on the other hand is hoarding its information. You are free to requisition a fleet of mapping vehicles, drones and satellites and gather your own maps information and share it with whom…

Apple has more than enough money. More than they'll ever need. It's actively employing strategies to avoid taxes. I think they can afford to do some public service from time to time, even if it means (in absolute numbers, massive) losses (if you don't count the value of having done something good for the people). I'm not saying Apple does nothing for the open source scene. In fact, they're maintaining some important…

Apple do support OSM. In one European country, Apple Maps actually uses OSM data solely.

Re: DuckDuckGo will use Apple Maps

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Post by g105b »

Aunche wrote: post #203
johnsea wrote: post #135

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Google _is_ a privacy threat. Completely unrelated to DDG, marketing or believe. One Google with thousand tentacles...

I'm a bit uncomfortable with how much DDG's marketing is focused on trashing their competition. They deliberately obfuscate privacy issues to strengthen their narrative. Sure duckduckgo is a good company right now, but that's only because they're small. I doubt they'll stay that way when they capture a significant market share.

Like when Google were little and their actual tagline was "Do No Evil".

Re: DuckDuckGo will use Apple Maps

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Post by [deleted] »

latexr wrote: post #249
Aunche wrote: post #203

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I'm a bit uncomfortable with how much DDG's marketing is focused on trashing their competition. They deliberately obfuscate privacy issues to strengthen their narrative. Sure duckduckgo is a good company right now, but that's only because they're small. I doubt they'll stay that way when they capture a significant market share.

> Sure duckduckgo is a good company right now, but that's only because they're small. Only because they are small? That seems to imply that if they ever get big, they’ll no doubt become evil, privacy-wise. Apple proves that does not have to be the case.

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Re: DuckDuckGo will use Apple Maps

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Post by Doctor_Fegg »

Brakenshire wrote: post #254
mtmail wrote: post #14

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Apple employee spoke at a recent OSM conference. Yes, they use OSM data as well. In some countries more than others. Apple also has a fulltime staff working on OSM. https://github.com/osmlab/appledata/issues , https://github.com/osmlab/appledata/

Apple can only use OSM data pre license change which is very old now, those links are to contributions Apple is making to OSM (similar to the big Microsoft contributions) which are probably there as a way of trying to prevent a Google monopoly, but not indications that Apple is using the data.

That’s not true. Apple is using and contributing current, ODbL-licensed OSM data.
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