Mozilla hit with takedown request for anti-paywall addons • Hacker News Board

Re: Mozilla hit with takedown request for anti-paywall addons

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Post by eridius » Wed, Dec 05, 2018, 7:53 PM UTC

dang wrote: post #391

eridius wrote: post #389

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think you are aware but irrationally refusing to accept that HTTP is public and anonymous by default. That has literally no bearing whatsoever on the morality of pretending to be someone else in order to get access to IP that you don't have the right to access. This is the second time you're calling me irrational, and it's not acceptable.

Please don't do tedious tit-for-tats on HN.

Please don't paint both parties to an argument with the same brush. I was on my best behavior for this argument and did not engage in a "tit-for-tat". I do not appreciate being officially reprimanded and having my comments flagged when I did nothing wrong.

I'm not expecting a response (heck, I'm expecting this comment to be flagged for arguing with a moderator), I'm just hoping you'll pause for a moment and realize that heavy-handed moderation is counterproductive; if I'm punished for being on my best behavior, what incentive is there for me to care about my behavior at all?

Re: Mozilla hit with takedown request for anti-paywall addons

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Post by dang » Wed, Dec 05, 2018, 8:14 PM UTC

eridius wrote: post #401

dang wrote: post #391

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please don't do tedious tit-for-tats on HN.

Please don't paint both parties to an argument with the same brush. I was on my best behavior for this argument and did not engage in a "tit-for-tat". I do not appreciate being officially reprimanded and having my comments flagged when I did nothing wrong. I'm not expecting a response (heck, I'm expecting this comment to be flagged for arguing with a moderator), I'm just hoping you'll pause for a moment and realize t…

Whenever we get one of these snippy exchanges going far to the right on the page, circulating uselessly and boring everybody else, both parties are to blame for keeping it going.

Any time you find yourself writing things like "This is the second time you're calling me irrational, and it's not acceptable," you've passed the kind of discussion we want on HN. Even if it's true that the other person was behaving as badly or worse.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Mozilla hit with takedown request for anti-paywall addons

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Post by eridius » Wed, Dec 05, 2018, 9:17 PM UTC

dang wrote: post #402

eridius wrote: post #401

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please don't paint both parties to an argument with the same brush. I was on my best behavior for this argument and did not engage in a "tit-for-tat". I do not appreciate being officially reprimanded and having my comments flagged when I did nothing wrong. I'm not expecting a response (heck, I'm expecting this comment to be flagged for arguing with a moderator), I'm just hoping you'll pause for a moment and realize t…

Whenever we get one of these snippy exchanges going far to the right on the page, circulating uselessly and boring everybody else, both parties are to blame for keeping it going. Any time you find yourself writing things like "This is the second time you're calling me irrational, and it's not acceptable," you've passed the kind of discussion we want on HN. Even if it's true that the other person was behaving as badly…

The point of that comment was to signal that the discussion was over. I agree that the discussion had passed a line; that's precisely why I wrote the comment, and why I ignored the reply. I was self-moderating. It seems both ironic and counter-productive for a moderator to yell at me for ending the discussion, with the explanation that the discussion should be ended.

But really, it's not the fact that this comment was flagged that bothers me (though being accused of "tit-for-tat" behavior still rankles). What really gets me is my previous comment (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18604446) is flagged as well, for no reason I can see.

As before, I'm not actually expecting a reply. I know you want this whole discussion to be over, and I'm fine with that. I just want you to spend a few seconds thinking about what I'm saying here.

Re: Mozilla hit with takedown request for anti-paywall addons

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Post by dang » Wed, Dec 05, 2018, 10:26 PM UTC

eridius wrote: post #403

dang wrote: post #402

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whenever we get one of these snippy exchanges going far to the right on the page, circulating uselessly and boring everybody else, both parties are to blame for keeping it going. Any time you find yourself writing things like "This is the second time you're calling me irrational, and it's not acceptable," you've passed the kind of discussion we want on HN. Even if it's true that the other person was behaving as badly…

The point of that comment was to signal that the discussion was over. I agree that the discussion had passed a line; that's precisely why I wrote the comment, and why I ignored the reply. I was self-moderating. It seems both ironic and counter-productive for a moderator to yell at me for ending the discussion, with the explanation that the discussion should be ended. But really, it's not the fact that this comment wa…

Ok, I've unflagged that comment.

Re: Mozilla hit with takedown request for anti-paywall addons

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Post by realusername » Thu, Dec 06, 2018, 9:57 AM UTC

__d wrote: post #364

realusername wrote: post #346

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because there's no username and passwords for paywalls...

The ones I'm thinking of (eg. NYTimes, WaPo, WSJ, etc) are all username/password. What kind of paywall are you thinking of?

They just bypass the paywalls by pretending they are google, there's no username or password involved.