Incredibly dumb move. CO2 is our friend, not an enemy.
Denmark to ban petrol and diesel car sales by 2030
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Re: Denmark to ban petrol and diesel car sales by 2030
#402Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I've come around though. I think all the bastardized carbon accounting, market based solutions are on average quite bad. Carbon taxing works well when it's applied - but it's very hard to create the political consensus to impose it. For example, the high cost of fuel in Europe has driven cars to an average MPG equivalent of 45 versus the average of 33 in US. That's nothing to sneeze at, it's 40% more for a given am…
I think the issue with carbon taxes is a 10-20% reduction isn't enough. A 75% reduction is needed. Which means some sectors the reduction will have to be more than that. At that point bans make more sense.
Needed for what? Optimal range for plants growth is 1000-1500ppm.
Re: Denmark to ban petrol and diesel car sales by 2030
#403Electro cars are great, until you start count. Ok, if Denmark population is about 5.7M and based on aerostat ( https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php... ) there're around 500 cars per 1000 citizen. It means country holds ~2.5M cars right now. In general (based on https://www.worlddata.info/europe/denmark/energy-consumption... ) every Denmark's citizen consumes 20kh per day. 1 of 2 citizen has a…
LOL, no. Denmark used 67.5TWh gasoline and diesel fuel last year, due to better efficiency of the electric drivetrain it's equivalent to roughly 20TWh of electricity. Denmark also used 46TWh electricity last year, so they would need to increase their production by 43.5%. It's quite high actually, for Germany the same figure is just 31% (190TWh and 610TWh).
All data can be found here https://www.statbank.dk/ENE2HA.
Re: Denmark to ban petrol and diesel car sales by 2030
#404Electro cars are great, until you start count. Ok, if Denmark population is about 5.7M and based on aerostat ( https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php... ) there're around 500 cars per 1000 citizen. It means country holds ~2.5M cars right now. In general (based on https://www.worlddata.info/europe/denmark/energy-consumption... ) every Denmark's citizen consumes 20kh per day. 1 of 2 citizen has a…
That assumes that every car in Denmark will consume 50kwh per day. The 64kw Kona Electric will do 300 miles according to the WLTP [1]. So, that assumes every car does 234 miles every day, or over 85k miles per year. I can't find any solid data, but I'd assume its closer to 10k miles per year, or an eighth of what you're suggesting. That is still a lot, but it is achievable especially with more offshore wind. 1. https…
Just look how much gasoline and diesel was sold. Anything else will give you tremendously wrong result.
Re: Denmark to ban petrol and diesel car sales by 2030
#4052030 is ages away, try 2020.
Out of curiosity, are you the kind of person who complains if Google shuts down a free product with less than a 1 year heads up? I wonder how some HN commenters would do at being head of state, sometimes. The bar seems to have lowered lately anyway. Edit: just to clarify and be less dismissive: Banning things everyone uses with little homework is a great way to fail at it. Since this is a tech forum, you can think of…
Bans like this are unlawful and should be countered by a revolution.
Re: Denmark to ban petrol and diesel car sales by 2030
#406While this is a good thing, it's not nearly sufficient to stop climate catastrophe.
Nothing can stop the next climate catastrophe. Which is the next ice age by the way, and not some mythical global warming.
Re: Denmark to ban petrol and diesel car sales by 2030
#407The more countries that commit to this, the more innovation we'll see, happy to see this being taken seriously!
Quite the opposite, actually. Governmental regulations kill innovations.
Re: Denmark to ban petrol and diesel car sales by 2030
#408Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is why I consider my 1990 Volvo a comparatively environmentally friendly car. Very reliable and much cheaper to maintain and repair than a new electronics laden alternative.
My 1995 Volvo 940 Wagon (Estate for you EU?) is probably the best car I've ever purchased. It's comfortable, reliable, easy to work on and doesn't drink that much gasoline. I've had new cars, old cars, fast cars, slow cars, and the Volvo is seriously my favorite. Purchased for $800 a year ago and immediately drove across the USA with it. Only issue was a short in the tail lights. :) Maybe I shouldn't be sharing this…
But you do. An increase in price means your car's resale value will go up.