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You’re being downvoted, but this is exactly the concern that a sweeping change like this provokes. Who’s to say Google won’t decide that a lack of sync is a problem they can silently fix too?
Who's to say they aren't going to backdoor Chrome to pop a shell on your box next time you search Google? Who's to say Mozilla won't do the same?
The turn on sync thing is already reported to be a dark pattern.
Unless there's a compelling benefit for me as a consumer, then I think Google wasted a lot of engineering hours and talent building something that majority of people would want no part of.
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Who's to say they aren't going to backdoor Chrome to pop a shell on your box next time you search Google? Who's to say Mozilla won't do the same?
The devil has enough advocates. The turn on sync thing is already reported to be a dark pattern. Also see: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18062082
https://twitter.com/nikitab/status/1044314072706158593
Meanwhile: whatever color you want to shade in the "pattern" with, this subthread starts with a claim that is falsifiable, and also actually false. So please don't pretend like I'm arguing from abstractions here.
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FF with Multi Account Containers is heaven
FF itself since Quantum has been heaven for me personally. I've always used FF and Chrome, flipping back and forth as Chrome filled in where FF had issues and vice versa, but after a week or 2 on Quantum I just didn't need Chrome anymore and uninstalled it. Haven't regretted it once.
(also, I'm 90% FF now too)
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Except this doesn't actually "prevent surprises in a shared device scenario" for the web, in general; it does for Google sites and services only. Logging in to Facebook or Amazon or my personal blog does not show up as a browser indicator, nor does logging out of the browser also log one out of Facebook or Amazon or my personal blog. This makes Chrome less of a browser and more of gateway to Google services that happ…
Yes, but as I said, most people probably do consider it a single gateway to all of their Google services, browser included. The big difference is that your Chrome account is your Google account, unlike any of the other sites you mention.
Auto-signin only adds confusion. Many (most?) users have no reason to associate their browser with a Google account. This is something that Google is pushing unilaterally, just like Google+/YouTube integration. As an advertising company, they stand to benefit from more accurate user tracking.
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When you have a checkbox for every possible customisation option, you end up with a commercial airliner cockpit - hundreds of flashing lights and switches, that you need a comprehensive manual and years of experience to properly operate.
Windows have a registry, Firefox - about:config, Linux - kconfig and sysfs. You don't need to make it Boeing way, but you need it.
Also, it's Boeing or I'm not going.
I don't understand why the Chrome team is picking this hill to die on- their team (managers and developers) are all over twitter and reddit trying to explain the privacy violations away as if the people upset about this are just not understanding what's going on. I really expect this change to push a lot of people away from Chrome, and frankly I wouldn't be surprised if it started opening up more antitrust possibilit…
It's about privacy and also about taking away functionality that worked all these years for me. At work we use Google Apps and I sign in as with my work address for Gmail, Calendar, Docs, Drive, etc. and am used to one click access to all these apps. But I like to sync my bookmarks, extensions and settings to my personal account - and that's it - I don't want to sign in to my personal Gmail, Docs, Drive in the browse…
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The devil has enough advocates. The turn on sync thing is already reported to be a dark pattern. Also see: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18062082
Yes, lots of people reported it to be a "dark pattern", but I'm very much with Nikita Borisov on this one: https://twitter.com/nikitab/status/1044314072706158593 Meanwhile: whatever color you want to shade in the "pattern" with, this subthread starts with a claim that is falsifiable, and also actually false. So please don't pretend like I'm arguing from abstractions here.
Still there are the claims of buybackoff that I linked above that options has been set without their consent.
So it seems to me there's either a muddy pattern or they even are tweaking things on behalf of users whitout even asking?
Edit: also this from the post we are discussing:
> However, by clicking on “settings” I was unable to click “undo” - the user interface happily assumed that yes, in fact I wanted to first upload my data. And suddenly, instead of “Last time synced in 2017” I saw the following: “Last time synced on Today”.
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I work at Google; opinions are my own. > I don't understand why the Chrome team is picking this hill to die on- their team (managers and developers) are all over twitter and reddit trying to explain the privacy violations away as if the people upset about this are just not understanding what's going on. My impression is that this is the new norm at Google. It happens with everything, internal or external. The sad rea…
Why would they repeat the Google+ linked accounts nightmare though? I never wanted a fucking chrome account, and linking my business and private accounts is the stupidest thing you idiots could have done. I never wanted my youtube account tied to my business email.
Would you please read the site guidelines and follow them when commenting here?
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I had been using Chrome only for G Suite stuff (forced by my employer to maintain this account) and FF for everything else. This change resulted in the deletion of Chrome from my computer and a move to FF with Multi Account Containers set to segregate various services from each other. I'm half thankful for the Chrome team doing this because it was just the push I needed to finally rid myself of Chrome once and for al…
FF with Multi Account Containers is heaven