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The Real Cost of the 2008 Financial Crisis

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Re: The Real Cost of the 2008 Financial Crisis

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> Even though the President appoints the Fed Chairman and it has the word "Federal" in its name it is not a Government organization. If you don't believe me, try getting information from the Fed via the Freedom of Information Act. The Fed's own page on the FOIA indicates that the Fed thinks it's a federal agency covered by FOIA. https://www.federalreserve.gov/foia/about_foia.htm

Okay... request information on the ownership structure of each of the Fed banks (i.e. share register) and see how far you get. I know it sounds crazy but the Fed is simply not a Government organization if it is privately owned.

It's not privately owned.

It has mandatory non-voting non-transferable shares. That is, when you fund a bank, you have to buy in at the regional Fed. Why? Who knows, it's a law on the books, and it's basically mindless administration. It does not make it "owned" in any sense.

The Fed is established by an Act of Congress, directly reports to Congress, and every aspect of the Fed's rights and duties is directly spelled out in laws.

If you do a FOIA request for ownership structure, you'll get nothing, because there's no such thing. The Fed is not owned by anyone, it's an independent-from-the-WhiteHouse US agency. It has a budget (and is self funded, from the interests of the securities/assets it holds), it has expenses for staff and for the cost of providing services, it then gets reimbursed from the Treasury for certain services, etc. ( https://www.federalreserve.gov/foia/files/2018ReserveBankBud... ) And it pays out 6% to the member banks, who are mandated by law to have equal to 3% of their capital in Fed Regional Bank "shares".

There's one instance where the regional fed banks can be thought of as "private": from the perspective of the FTCA [the Federal Tort Claims Act].

See also Scott v. Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City, in which the distinction is made between Federal Reserve Banks, which are federally created instrumentalities, and the Fed Board of Governors, which is a federal agency.

Re: The Real Cost of the 2008 Financial Crisis

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Were these loan sharks prosecuted? Probably yes, but that won't bring back the lost percents of GDP.

>"We're these loan sharks prosecuted? Probably yes,..." How about definitely not, other than one guy?[1] Additionally, while it won't bring back the GDP it will send a message that the laws will be enforced and that this behavior has consequences. Currently the message we send is that if you do low level crime we'll be harsh on you to make an example. Crash the global economy and harm the entire country though? Ah, h…

Those are not the guys I'm talking about. Sorry for misusing the term.

The people (and companies) who enrolled folks into "predatory" mortgages (NINJA loans - no income, no assets, no job), the low level agents that should have done the paperwork for the credit check, and warned the wannabe clients about the risks (of default and so on).

Re: The Real Cost of the 2008 Financial Crisis

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Check again. The financial crisis started the rise of the right-wing parties. The refugee crisis then exacerbated it. For instance, the German AfD was originally a euro-skeptic party lead by some economics professors. It later ousted those leaders and rebranded into a more plainly nationalist party when that became en vogue. I don't know exactly about other European countries since I'm German, but from what I've seen…

Don't know about Germany but in the Netherlands, Belgium and France the rise of the right wing parties started way earlier than 2008.

Yes, we were late to the party. (Well, we had right-wing parties of course, but the AfD is the first nation-wide party right of the CxU that is sufficiently dissimilar from the NSDAP to attract a wide voter base.)

Re: The Real Cost of the 2008 Financial Crisis

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If your life is poor, you don't have much left to lose

Venezuela disagree with you, wholeheartedly You can (especially in US) lose a looooot more.

And most African nations would disagree with Venezuela. But many governments have been overthrow for much less or in cases where a government is so authoritarian that a coup is very difficult. Not saying America is in that situation, but something has got to give, especially when you look at how far wealthier certain people are living in your country.
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