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Re: My dad’s resume and skills from 1980

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Post by est »

ChuckMcM wrote: post #318

Thanks for posting, there is a huge life lesson in there for this audience. It is these lines: 1951 - Graduated SD State. 1964-1965 UC Extension Cobol 1968 UC Extension Fortran 1968-1969 UC Extension Systems and Procedures/Data Processing 1968-1969 IBM 370 Assembler Language The message is always be learning, never just get a degree and then never go back to learning something new. It helps with neural plasticity and…

> huge life lesson in there for this audience...is always be learning

This applies only to countries like US, where higher education is actually good.

In rest of the world the university tutor lacks skills.

Re: My dad’s resume and skills from 1980

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Post by philpem »

scarface74 wrote: post #367
kilo_bravo_3 wrote: post #360

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>Wow, I wish I was an engineer in that era. 25 years at the same company, 3 languages over 13 years. I work for a competitor to General Dynamics in practically the same field (as close as you can get in 2018) as Mr. Ray Livesay. Counting the acquisition, I've been with the same company for 11 years, having worked my way up from being a technical writer to programmer to systems engineer. When I wanted to transition fr…

What is the salary growth like? My experience is that the only way to get more than a 3% raise per year is to job hop. Salary compression and inversion are real.

3%! Luxury! Best I've pulled off for sitting around is 0.9%pa.

"I have an offer from OtherCo. But I'd like to stay here. Could you match it?"

"We don't negotiate salaries."

Re: My dad’s resume and skills from 1980

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Post by tinbucket »

Stratoscope wrote: post #257
tinbucket wrote: post #141

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Yellowing in paper is a combination of factors, primarily cellulose content, acidity, and exposure to light, heat, and air. Decent bond paper from the 1980s will generally look just fine if it's stored in a dry box. It has a low acidity and will normally have a higher dag content do will age more slowly. Exposing it to sunlight and/or excessive heat will cause it to age. If it's high cellulose paper, like a newspaper…

"higher rag (cotton) content", in case anyone is wondering what "dag" is.

Thanks -- didn't spot that typo.

Re: My dad’s resume and skills from 1980

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Post by phyller »

acchow wrote: post #397
phyller wrote: post #325

Wow, I wish I was an engineer in that era. 25 years at the same company, 3 languages over 13 years. And when he needed to learn a new language he actually went to school for it. I just started a new position, I have to learn at least 2 new languages (on my own time) which I need to be proficient in basically immediately. My very first project was, fix something in this new project which uses a new language, you have…

What kinds of companies do you work for and what kind of teams?

Basically full stack web developer, probably a lot of these issues are particularly bad in this field

Re: My dad’s resume and skills from 1980

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Post by nathan_long »

Latteland wrote: post #396
sadamznintern wrote: post #386

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Amazon doesn’t pay much.

i thought including the stock amazon pays well these days, better than microsoft. that's what my friend working there says.

> i thought including the stock amazon pays well these days

Stock is not pay. As the old saying goes, "A bird in the hand is worth N in the bush, where N is a value that people whose profession is to guess the value of N cannot guess the value of."

Re: My dad’s resume and skills from 1980

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Post by whorleater »

nathan_long wrote: post #405
Latteland wrote: post #396

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i thought including the stock amazon pays well these days, better than microsoft. that's what my friend working there says.

> i thought including the stock amazon pays well these days Stock is not pay. As the old saying goes, "A bird in the hand is worth N in the bush, where N is a value that people whose profession is to guess the value of N cannot guess the value of."

>Stock is not pay

It's not, but it'd also be foolish to ignore that RSU's can be fairly easily exercised and translate into real money. It's probably more accurate to say that the stock isn't worth the face value, but RSU's certainly does have value at public companies.

Re: My dad’s resume and skills from 1980

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Post by the_watcher »

nathan_long wrote: post #405
Latteland wrote: post #396

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i thought including the stock amazon pays well these days, better than microsoft. that's what my friend working there says.

> i thought including the stock amazon pays well these days Stock is not pay. As the old saying goes, "A bird in the hand is worth N in the bush, where N is a value that people whose profession is to guess the value of N cannot guess the value of."

Amazon stock is pay. It has a monetary value that it is easily convertible into. If your point is that RSUs have vesting schedules, annual salary does too, in the form of paychecks.

Re: My dad’s resume and skills from 1980

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Post by silentpost »

oldManRiver wrote: post #328
phyller wrote: post #325

Wow, I wish I was an engineer in that era. 25 years at the same company, 3 languages over 13 years. And when he needed to learn a new language he actually went to school for it. I just started a new position, I have to learn at least 2 new languages (on my own time) which I need to be proficient in basically immediately. My very first project was, fix something in this new project which uses a new language, you have…

JCL, 360/370 ASM, COBOL. They were still teaching this shit at my school in the 90s. Encouraged you to take COBOL II because "there's so much old code around you'll always have a job" (left out the part about a job you'd rather kill yourself at). Peter Gibbons was updating code for the Year 2000 switch over.

spoiler alert, COBOL and Assembly are used for major financial systems that you use every day (no snark intended). I live in a city that headquarters one of the largest credit card processing companies around (they use Assembler), a large insurance company (they use COBOL), and a too-big-to-fail bank (they use COBOL).

The CS school within the state school in this city is sponsored by one of those companies, and they still teach (2018!) COBOL as a course req--obviously as a way to train up talent--but the fact that it's still taught today boggles the mind for me as a web developer learning something-newJS every week.

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