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MacBook Pro with i9 chip is throttled due to thermal issues, claims YouTuber

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Re: MacBook Pro with i9 chip is throttled due to thermal issues, claims YouTuber

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My old xps 13 with the i5 had great thermals on the other hand, but was still snappy enough for almost everything I threw at it. Didn't like it b/c the screen was just a tad too small for me and I had some problems getting good audio on the machine. Also, coil whine. It was awful.

Same here. 13 inch XPS, coil whine is insane. Had the motherboard replaced 3 times, no improvement. It was a replacement for my ageing Air 13", and I honestly wish I didn't swap. At first glance it's just as nice, the build quality and form factor are identical - and then you start using it, and see that Dell charges just as much if not more than Apple, but quality of several different elements is ages behind apple.

What model XPS 13? My 2018 9370 has no coil whine even when I hold the keyboard to my head.

I think it's a fixed issue, but only in 2018 models, so YMMV.

Re: MacBook Pro with i9 chip is throttled due to thermal issues, claims YouTuber

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No

The correct answer is "it depends on which paste you use". If you're using a "liquid metal" compound, you probably want to be very careful, as it is conductive.[1] [1] https://www.ekwb.com/blog/thermal-compound-guide/

> The correct answer is

A correct answer takes context into account. In this case, "vendors that always tell to put a huge amount of thermal grease on the CPU".

Re: MacBook Pro with i9 chip is throttled due to thermal issues, claims YouTuber

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Apple can't make good keyboards anymore, are they even failing with their thermal paste now? I really don't feel these machines are professional level.

It's not just Apple, the thermal paste between the die and the heat spreader on newer Intel CPUs isn't getting good reviews either. Replacing the paste under the heat spreader is a lot more tricky though, and requires special tools. Why neither Apple nor Intel is opting for better thermal compound is amazing. Tests continue to CPU temperatures drop 10+ degrees (C) just by replacing the thermal compound. Even if they…

The problem is actually that the silicone adhesive they use to attach the IHS is too thick. The act of shaving the adhesive down is what really produces thermal improvements.

Delidding, shaving the adhesive, and replacing with fresh TIM produces nearly as good a result as using LM (without the risks of LM). And using LM without shaving the adhesive only produces a few degrees of improvement.

Re: MacBook Pro with i9 chip is throttled due to thermal issues, claims YouTuber

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Yeah but that's like buying a race car and being upset that it's throttled at 300 mph. 99.9999% of people will never go 300mph..unless you're using it in a very specialized way.

No it's like buying a truck for your business and being upset when it can't tow its advertised load.

It's like buying a chinook to tow a skateboard then being upset that the chinook can't go it's full 200 mph.

Re: MacBook Pro with i9 chip is throttled due to thermal issues, claims YouTuber

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Apple can't make good keyboards anymore, are they even failing with their thermal paste now? I really don't feel these machines are professional level.

The first edition MacBook Pro had widespread issues with thermal paste back in 2006 that led to random shutdowns and led to a recall to re-apply new paste (I had one and had to get the paste re-applied). Future generations of MBPs didn’t have the same problems. The point is: shit happens with any product, the question is will you be supported well? Apple’s history here has generally been good but occasionally they’ve…

> Their size leads to amplification of issues beyond reasonable response. The keyboard issues for example are way overblown.

I have a MacBook pro next to me that is on its fourth keyboard.

Re: MacBook Pro with i9 chip is throttled due to thermal issues, claims YouTuber

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Seems like it's hard to cool GPUs in desktops too if you're Apple >their maximum FP32 compute performance is 11 TFLOPS (which points to around 1340 MHz clock-rate for the Vega 64) and their peak memory bandwidth is 400 GB/s (indicating about 1600 MT/s memory speed), which is slower when compared to the Radeon RX Vega cards for desktops. The main reasons why Apple downlocks its GPUs are of course power consumption and…

Downclocking, by itself, tends to increase component lifetime. It makes sense for a professional machine that's not supposed to break after a couple years. Of course, if the component still overheats, that completely beats the purpose of the downclocking.

Or, they've gotten a really good deal on binned chips.

Re: MacBook Pro with i9 chip is throttled due to thermal issues, claims YouTuber

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In fairness, Lee criticized the Dell XPS 15's thermals in a video a couple of days ago. Of course, he also posted a video last week about how he was starting to hate Apple products. If you watch a lot of his videos, you'll notice that he almost always talks about thermals, so it's not surprising to see him focus on that aspect of the MBP.

I have a Dell XPS 15 (2017) and the thermals are really bad. I saw constant throttling in my kernel logs and the laptop sometimes slowed to a crawl when compiling, running a ton of docker containers, using Light Table or even just having a ton of browser tabs open. I finally ditched it a few weeks ago, finally replacing it with a Ryzen 7 desktop. I'll admit my XPS 15 was a factory refurbished model, so maybe I just g…

Oh man, it's not a lemon...My experience, with a pricy 7700HQ, 4K touch, is exactly the same. First a faulty SSD which first replacement of SSD and motherboard didn't solve (second repl. of drive did), then throttling, and then the swollen battery pushing out the touchpad - I even also got a Ryzen desktop instead (1700x)!

Re: MacBook Pro with i9 chip is throttled due to thermal issues, claims YouTuber

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The thing is, the MBP is fulfilling Apple's design goals: they are optimizing for thinness, lightness, and battery life, not performance or thermal dissipation. As long as the thing doesn't break (in a way that can't be fixed trivially by the Geniuses at the Genius Bar) everything's fine as far as Apple's business is concerned.

But if you charge people for a CPU that has been modified or set up so it cannot achieve the advertised specs then it is misselling.

This seems the same as someone selling you a 4K monitor (for 50% more than other 4K monitors) without ever mentioning that you can only actually have 4K for 5 min max, otherwise it's QHD. It sure sounds like something that should be illegal to me...

Re: MacBook Pro with i9 chip is throttled due to thermal issues, claims YouTuber

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So... they discovered that there is a reaason that desktop computers have a large heatsink with a fan many times larger attached... Don't buy a laptop and expect it's sustained performance to be anywhere near that of a proper desktop computer. It simply won't be

Imagine someone selling you a 4K monitor (for 50% more than other 4K monitors) without ever mentioning that you can only actually have 4K for 5 min max, then it falls to QHD.
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