Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor • Hacker News Board

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by gxs » Fri, Sep 08, 2017, 5:04 PM UTC

sjellis wrote: post #388

gxs wrote: post #188

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As a product manager for one of the big tech companies in the bay area, I agree. Most problems that we solve on a daily basis aren't cutting edge, they are complicated business logic or customer facing UI that needs to be tested more than anything else. Communicating requirements and vision at this point become more important than having your "rockstar" engineers outshine everyone else. That said, one thing I've lear…

"That said, one thing I've learned is that you can't please developers. The same people on this forum that are deriding "personal communication" in favor of more formal communication are the same ones that complain about project managers and "unnecessary" status updates and communication." I agree with all of your points, except this one. My own view is that managing a technical team is just extremely demanding, and…

I think what you're saying is that if a manager can't adequately track what their team is working on and how they are doing, they put the burden of that gap in communication on the developers.

This is a valid point, some kind of asymmetry in the communication.

I don't think this contradicts what I said, rather branches off into another subject, whether your reporting manager is doing a good job or not.

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by kuschku » Fri, Sep 08, 2017, 7:10 PM UTC

s73ver_ wrote: post #400

kuschku wrote: post #350

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It doesn’t have to be. You just need copy-paste to a pastebin or upload site, and need clients to support embedding content. Then it doesn’t matter how each client does it. This already works between Textual, IRCCloud, QuasselWebserver, and a handful more.

So now I need yet another service, which may not be accessible to the other people. I'm going to stick with the one that does the things that I want it to do now, and doesn't require me to hope that the other person can see what I'm trying to post.

You mean, you’re going to stick with the one where you rely on a central authority, all your data is accessible to them and the intelligence agencies of their country?

There’s a major tradeoff to be made there.

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by sjellis » Fri, Sep 08, 2017, 9:12 PM UTC

waisbrot wrote: post #33

sjellis wrote: post #3

It's good to see thoughtful competition in this space - Slack is mostly a joy to use, but we really need healthy competition. In the absence of widely-used open standards, the consequences of putting ever-increasing our institutional memories into proprietary, centrally controlled systems may depend upon how much competitive pressure the providers feel.

Chat applications for work are insanely sticky, though? You can offer 5 great new features and a $500/month lower price-tag and I'm probably not going to want to lose my searchable chat history and have everyone unable to communicate for a week while we switch.

Yep. Since there are no interoperability standard, any new entrant into the market is now going to have to spend a lot of resources on developing a process to reliably migrate accounts and history out of Slack, Yammer etc.

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by dleslie » Sat, Sep 09, 2017, 3:32 AM UTC

ngrilly wrote: post #398

dleslie wrote: post #394

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Slack threads are... terrible. Let's just add another layer of indirection, and a layer of depth to the streams of information you manage! Ugh.

I agree about the drawbacks of threads as "another layer of indirection". But if you don't have threads, and the number of participants in the same chat room grows, how do you manage the intertwining of messages belonging to different subjects?

More channels

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by ngrilly » Sat, Sep 09, 2017, 9:09 AM UTC

dleslie wrote: post #404

ngrilly wrote: post #398

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I agree about the drawbacks of threads as "another layer of indirection". But if you don't have threads, and the number of participants in the same chat room grows, how do you manage the intertwining of messages belonging to different subjects?

More channels

Yes, but as far as I know, only admins can create a new channel on Discord. If you want to continue a discussion on a specific topic in a dedicated group, then you have to ask an admin?

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by m_fayer » Sat, Sep 09, 2017, 11:59 AM UTC

cortesoft wrote: post #263

m_fayer wrote: post #230

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Yeah I was another Slack-complainer until I joined an organisation without any sort of business-chat system. That's when my amnesia cleared up and I remembered just what a slog email is without a Slack-like. I remembered that email is used as chat when there's no proper chat system, that it's an unsearchable unstructured endless soup of important stuff, cat videos, unnecessary reply-all mashing, mysterious banishment…

Wait, why is email unsearchable?

I was exaggerating, it's not that it's totally unsearchable, but it just doesn't have enough structure, so sometimes you get lucky, sometimes a search ends up being a 15 minute spelunking expedition.

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by amedvednikov » Sun, Sep 10, 2017, 12:13 AM UTC

emehrkay wrote: post #370

amedvednikov wrote: post #228

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Try out eul: https://eul.im It'a native desktop client for Skype, Slack, and many others. It's only 4 MB, it has minimal CPU usage, and can handle hundreds of thousands of messages without lag.

What is the tech behind these clients? At 4-8mb it clearly isn't Electron. Are you writing native apps for three platforms?

Yes, it's native. It's written in Go.

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by dleslie » Sun, Sep 10, 2017, 1:28 AM UTC

ngrilly wrote: post #405

dleslie wrote: post #404

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More channels

Yes, but as far as I know, only admins can create a new channel on Discord. If you want to continue a discussion on a specific topic in a dedicated group, then you have to ask an admin?

Sounds like a severe limitation of discord :)

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by Too » Sun, Sep 10, 2017, 7:35 AM UTC

quickthrower2 wrote: post #319

com2kid wrote: post #299

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> Chat breaks the flow, Until I encounter a problem, switch into chat, and find that someone else already solved that problem and it was archived by the chat system. Flow maintained. My chat apps run on a separate monitor that is purposefully not within my visual range of the monitors used when I'm coding.

Then that's asynchronous messaging. Like email. The thing I hate is the opposite. When I'm told off for not replying to a message. Ergo need to keep it in visual range and stop what I'm doing on each message. Even if it's an inane broadcast from a team member.

With chat everybody has the same persistent view. Email everybody organizes differently.

Some people delete emails after reading them, some put in folders, some tag everything, some have an inbox with 100000 unread emails. If I tell a colleague that I emailed them the info a week ago half of them will not find it and just ask me to send it again.

With chat I can just say "it was posted in the QA chat room about 2 weeks ago" and everybody will find the info equally easy.

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by ngrilly » Sun, Sep 10, 2017, 9:03 AM UTC

dleslie wrote: post #408

ngrilly wrote: post #405

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Yes, but as far as I know, only admins can create a new channel on Discord. If you want to continue a discussion on a specific topic in a dedicated group, then you have to ask an admin?

Sounds like a severe limitation of discord :)

Ok, LOL :)

For the record, I very much like Discord, and I want to use it for a large group of volunteers looking for a coordination and discussion tool. We currently use Telegram. This is why I'm asking this weird questions ;)