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Re: Facebook admits it must do more to stop the spread of misinformation

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I would argue that wikileaks on it's own can also be very misleading. Reading emails out of context and without knowing if they've been altered is probably not the best way to get a full picture. The value add of media looking at them is they can also go and get other sources to add context or to corroborate what they are reading in the wikileaks releases. Sources which aren't available to everyone. It's also easy to…

Give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest man, and I would find something in them to have him hanged. ... and now Wikileaks has invited the whole internet to come play Richelieu with them, only with ten thousand times the ammunition the Cardinal (apocryphally) asked for. The online mob has been accusing (eg) Podesta and his correspondents of all kinds of insane things - from corruption & arms dealing t…

There's a lot of stuff in wikileaks that merits investigation but the MSM never did their job. Just wholesale dismissal from comedianchors like John Oliver. Not surprising that the MSM were asleep at the wheel when it came to predicting the outcome, or that most of the country no longer trusts them.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/195542/americans-trust-mass-media...

Re: Facebook admits it must do more to stop the spread of misinformation

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The problem is that the Facebook feed shouldn't be about news in the first place, or anything that isn't original content from the people I follow. I miss the days when the news feed was photos of my friends, notices about new their new job, what they ate, etc. instead of a stream of tabloid junk and recycled news articles. Unfortunately Facebook gives no tools to limit the posts to only original content and profile…

I agree. I think there could be a limit on the amount of links and of images containing text that you can post in a day, as well as warning messages next to content that comes from questionable sources.

Re: Facebook admits it must do more to stop the spread of misinformation

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There are two big problems shown by this. First, that any one service like Facebook could become so large and unopposed that we need to care how it handles something like this. And second, that people seem fine with the idea of living only inside Facebook, unfriending or muting anyone who disagrees with them, until nothing else matters. This is an utterly unhealthy way for people to be. If you want to combat misinfor…

Facebook could deliberately inject a certain amount of contrarian content into people's feeds.

Re: Facebook admits it must do more to stop the spread of misinformation

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Yes, trying to solve this problem by creating a definition of "misinformation" sufficiently precise to act on it for all possible articles, then trying to remove it somehow is probably an AI-complete problem. If it's not AI-complete it's probably just plain an ill-formed question. That's before we ask questions about the biases that get embedded into the misinformation detector. This can't be fixed at Facebook scales…

I think I would argue that this is beyond an AI-complete problem, it is an unanswerable problem. For instance, consider the following spectrum of ideas: - The earth is flat - 9/11 conspiracy theories - Barack Obama was born in Kenya - Anti-vax - Climate change denial - Anti-GMO - Denial of underlying quantum randomness in the universe - The Clinton Foundation has been or is involved in some shady dealings - Muslims w…

Could you elaborate on what "AI-complete" means? I have not heard this term before. I am assuming it similar to NP-Complete but in the domain of AI?

If this correct I assume that there are also problem that are classified as AI-hard?

Re: Facebook admits it must do more to stop the spread of misinformation

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"OMG, Trump has won through lies and deception! We failed to stop him. How on Earth did that happen? We must out-manipulate our opponents next time." If you read between the lines, this is what the article condenses to. The discussion here is mostly creepy groupthink shit. Social networks fact-checking their content? What's next? Should AT&T stop the spread of misinformation over its phone lines? Should USPS fact-che…

The irony here is also the idea that all of this so-called propaganda comes from the right. The left is constantly selecting it's own set of "facts" and tactfully leaves out whatever doesn't agree with their agenda. Simply look at all the disingenuous pro-Clinton fact checking throughout the election. Just look at the number of rape, assault, race-baity bullshit that is circulated by liberals every day. There article…

Please don't make generalizations about large groups of people. It leads to irreconcilable feuds.

Re: Facebook admits it must do more to stop the spread of misinformation

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I really enjoy the dynamic of large forums, where varying ideas can pitch in, and I appreciate that much more in comparison to family members who are steeped in facebook.

Global forums can end up with a fairly civil discourse, because everybody knows and acknowledges that there are differences in opinion. If you want your thoughts to be respected, you need to make them level headed, even if it is an emotional argument. The broader the forum, the better it tends to be. Of course, it also depends on good moderation, but even the self-moderation of HN and /. tend to end up being level headed and fairly moderate.

But there are no alternative opinions or moderators in facebook. People subscribe to small echo chamber radicals, which laser focus on some hyper exaggerated version of their outlook and there's no counterpoints in sight. Disagreements with what other people post ends up in unfriending, because it's too personally dissonant.

This whole blurting out of one's impassioned political, religious, and social ideologies is simply not appropriate public discussion!

You don't go out to social gatherings and start yelling stuff like this. Yet, on facebook, people share such content on their walls for all their acquaintances to see, which ends up being incendiary. These are subjects reserved for those you have enough rapport with to warrant deep controversial dives, not your personally public web presence. The very nature of the mechanics of social media tends to stoke and reward this behavior.

Re: Facebook admits it must do more to stop the spread of misinformation

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This article criticizes Facebook for firing the human editors that had been keeping things sane. However they were pushed to that by accusations of bias in the right-wing media. Accusations that looked likely to lead to a Congressional investigation. See, for example, http://thehill.com/policy/technology/279361-top-republican-d... . Now they are in a situation where they are damned if they do, damned if they don't. A…

Human editors can separate sane from insane ? I dont think so. The recent presidential poll fiasco is prime example. All the large media houses like CNN, ABC, WaPo, NYT complete failed to detect and acknowledge the silent righ-wing voters claiming Clinton would win hands down. This is not just about political bias of the media but more importantly their complete failure to judge the pulse of the nation. In my opinion…

I don't think the "bias" of mainstream media sources is solvable, it's not that problem we need to solve.

The problem we need to solve is the sharing of hysterical, blatantly false information, presented as facts, from specific, intentionally propagandistic sites. And I wouldn't hide or disallow it, I would flag it with a warning message.

Re: Facebook admits it must do more to stop the spread of misinformation

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this is what I would propose. Attach a very visible rating on each story shared from all news sources, the rating says how much the news source holds to it's journalistic integrity. There should be a very clear criteria that facebook holds it's news content providers to. If you click on the rating of a low rated news source, you should be shown exactly what extremely misleading articles they have published in the pas…

I agree with you. I would keep it simple and as transparent as possible.

Re: Facebook admits it must do more to stop the spread of misinformation

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We obviously need a commission that determines what things are facts and which things are fiction. It will be comprised of experts who know more than the populace, so it will be much better. It will be called the Ministry of Truth.

The radio, print, and television media have laws concerning what they can publish. I don't think it's so incredibly impossible to imagine that the new technology which is replacing those old forms, might also have something in the spirit of those older laws. Also consider: Facebook is already censoring what you see, it's just censoring to show you things you will like.

Re: Facebook admits it must do more to stop the spread of misinformation

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What about just keeping out stories that are patently false? If I did an image search for cars, I wouldn't want a boat in there. If I did a search for news, I wouldn't want a fabricated story.

Such stories would not go viral.

That's not true: false, viral stories were the very lifeblood of this election.
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