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Yeah, Galaxy Nexus did. And HTC One (m8) did as well.
But the HTC One is not a stock Android phone like the Nexus line and now the Pixel.
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Behind the Pixel: Google’s First Real Threat to Apple’s iPhone
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Re: Behind the Pixel: Google’s First Real Threat to Apple’s iPhone
#402It blows my mind that there's not a single positive top level comment yet. Seriously, guys, what's up with the culture of entitlement and complaining? We're hackers, let's get fucking excited about the new cool gadgets! This phone is awesome . How about, before nitpicking and criticizing, we take a moment to appreciate and celebrate the new technology developed by our colleagues?
Because it's not new technology.
Oh, come on! A new good looking android phone with a cool camera, vr, and super advanced AI assistant is not good enough for you? How revolutionary was the last project that you have developed?
What qualifies as "new technology" by your high standards? Do you expect it to be able to mine uranium while giving you a blowjob? I'm pretty sure it'll be able to do the later thing when new cool VR apps come around =)
Creating new things is hard. Creating new complicated thigs is incredibly hard. I think we would live in a much better world if people, instead of bitching, would support and cheer for anything new that is being created.
Re: Behind the Pixel: Google’s First Real Threat to Apple’s iPhone
#403It blows my mind that there's not a single positive top level comment yet. Seriously, guys, what's up with the culture of entitlement and complaining? We're hackers, let's get fucking excited about the new cool gadgets! This phone is awesome . How about, before nitpicking and criticizing, we take a moment to appreciate and celebrate the new technology developed by our colleagues?
"Wow this is amazing!" doesn't make particularly interesting discussion.
It feels like people are being negative just to sound all intelligent, skeptical, and subversive. In my opinion, there's no wisdom in naysaying. Haters are just as much a part of a groupthink as fanboys. Negativity, by itself, does not make discussion more interesting.
I think it's okay to have an intelligent, critical discussion about new things. But what I am observing on the recent Hacker News threads does not feel like that. It feels like another mindless trend. People in pop culture enjoy picking apart failures of celebrities. People here enjoy finding flaws in anything new released by a big company. I do not like this part of human nature. Putting it on hold would make HN a more fun place to hang out at.
Re: Behind the Pixel: Google’s First Real Threat to Apple’s iPhone
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>Now, Google is no Samsung, but they're a long way from Apple or even Microsoft on the UX front. Not sure I agree with this. I've been on android for a while, so I'm sure I'm biased, but stock AOSP Android is pretty much perfect for me. Very minimal and aesthetically beautiful, but still powerful and customizable.
Honestly, in terms of staff UI design cred Android is in better place than iOS right now. With the Sidekick, PalmOS, and then Material Design, Matías Duarte has been consistently at the forefront of mobile UI design. Jony Ive is probably the most brilliant consumer electronics hardware designer in the world, but I have yet to see any indication that he has any idea how to lead a platform UI design project. I had issu…
It's hard to buy that argument. It doesn't appear Material ever attempted to be better than iOS, just different. And now Google Design is quietly backtracking (dialogs are transitioning to iOS action sheets, hamburger button is being phased out for bottom tab navigation). And now the phone even looks even more like an iPhone. Let's be honest, there are only two rules for design at Google: "Not Apple" and "good enough".
Re: Behind the Pixel: Google’s First Real Threat to Apple’s iPhone
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>Now, Google is no Samsung, but they're a long way from Apple or even Microsoft on the UX front. Not sure I agree with this. I've been on android for a while, so I'm sure I'm biased, but stock AOSP Android is pretty much perfect for me. Very minimal and aesthetically beautiful, but still powerful and customizable.
> I've been on android for a while, so I'm sure I'm biased, but stock AOSP Android is pretty much perfect for me. Very minimal and aesthetically beautiful, but still powerful and customizable. You can get AOSP on a lot of phones, you just have to be comfortable flashing a custom ROM. I don't understand why anyone would pay iPhone prices for an Android phone. Even if the hardware quality is similar (which it won't be,…
> Android app quality is much worse.
Where are you basing this on? Out of some social media apps (Facebook and Snapchat) I have found that Android apps are on-par with their iOS counterparts.
Re: Behind the Pixel: Google’s First Real Threat to Apple’s iPhone
#406Probably the wrong time to say but. Is or has there been any way I could purchase a new phone assign it my number and have 2 phones ringing at same time? I would have a side by side comparison in each pocket? Like I buy pants. But 4 at the store and return 3
I am sure there is a way to do that using VOIP or something to receive calls on both phones. But for most test cases, you don't need an active phone number on the phone, no? You can just buy the phone unlocked with no contract and test it out.
Re: Behind the Pixel: Google’s First Real Threat to Apple’s iPhone
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"Percentage of industry profit" is a stupid metric. "Percentage of industry revenue " is an interesting one. But if Google sells phones at a loss, and they eat into Apple's sales, it is not a good thing for Apple.
Companies that play that loss leader strategy almost always fail. Apple would be over the moon if all their competitors were doing this.
If they fail at doing it, then you'll be able to tell by market share or percentage of industry revenue. But profit share as a metric would have it that even if Google succeeds and lowers Apple's market share and revenue, but in doing so causes itself serious losses, that's somehow good for Apple.
Which is stupid, and particularly so in the case of the competing platforms market of this, where even if a strategy ends up being long-term bad for Google, if it lures people into Android and away from iPhone, there are barriers to switching back, and Google's hypothetical loss is more likely to be Samsung's gain than Apple's.
But this is all by design. The profit-share metric -- a metric that you never, ever, ever heard about before iPhone became a highly profitable phone with a low market share -- is a vanity metric that's made precisely to make a low market share/high profitability phone look good. The flaws of the metric are baked into it.
Apple's profits are amazing for them. Their market-share is not great, and their percentage of industry revenue is not great. Trying to hide the latter fact by using one metric to report both of those things is stupid.
Re: Behind the Pixel: Google’s First Real Threat to Apple’s iPhone
#408No threat to either iPhone or Note 7 and incredibly overpriced. Pixel is basically a mid-range phone for high-end price. OnePlus 3 for $400 in mid-range or Meizu M3 Note for $140 in lower end are much better deals.
Note 7: Huge screen. 5" is a practical limit for me. iPhone: I want direct filesystem access and 3rd-party app stores, app sideloading, etc. Also, to not have to re-purchase the apps I already have. The smaller Pixel is more interesting to me than either the Note 7 or iPhone 7. Of course, I've got a weird combination of requirements for phones, and they go against the direction that most of the market is headed, so I…
In that case you should consider Galaxy S7, it has somewhat smaller dimensions than Pixel, but has a bigger screen.
BTW, this is another con for the Pixel a 5" is a DOA for most users these days.
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> what does this have that the year-old Nexus 6P and 5X don't, other than incremental hardware improvements? As someone who owns a 5X: - The Pixel is a premium 5" phone, not a budget one. It has a flagship SoC rather than a mid-tier SoC. - The camera is better and more responsive (the camera on the N5X is slow and annoying). - The body isn't plastic, which means there will be less issues with heat and CPU throttling…
>The Pixel is a premium 5" phone, not a budget one. what makes it premium other than the fact that they're charging lots of money for it? i can't find a real differentiator over something like the oneplus 3, which costs half as much. i agree with you that it's better than the 5X, but comparing it to this year's competition, it doesn't look so good.
Flagship SoC (SD821 vs SD808) and a metal body are the main things that make it worth the price to me.
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The A10 smokes it even worse. The best Android phones are competitive in multi-core performance only because they have 2x many cores as Apple.
Even then, you're going to be paying in battery performance.
You can't say this without knowing how much the respective cores use.