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Reports Coming in of Big IBM Layoffs Underway in the U.S.

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Re: Reports Coming in of Big IBM Layoffs Underway in the U.S.

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Wonder why more software jobs are not unionized? Hollywood and move industry has some of that. Teacher, pilots, firefighters do it.

This industry is full of libertarians, full-bore objectivists, "fuck you, got mine"-ists, and scads of people who think they're 10x engineers and don't want to be compared to the plebs.

You've posted many unsubstantive and/or inflammatory comments to HN. That's not what this site is for, so please stop doing it.

Re: Reports Coming in of Big IBM Layoffs Underway in the U.S.

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And... so what? Sure, the company needs employees, but it doesn't need the people who are there. What's noxious is the whole idea of "stakeholders", as if working somewhere gives you some kind of ownership. If you want to own your job you need to be self employed. If I hire someone to cut my grass is he now a "stakeholder" who needs to be consulted when I sell my house?

your house is not a company. your lawnmower is not an employee, he's a vendor.

I own my house, the same way I would own a company. And I pay the lawn guy to do a job. I don't see the big difference.

Re: Reports Coming in of Big IBM Layoffs Underway in the U.S.

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No one ever got fired for choosing IBM, but apparently working for them is a different experience.

Seriously though, IBM is a dinosaur of a company that is quickly losing its merits. They cater to "old" large enterprises. They charge big licensing fees, and huge consulting rates.

Young "enterprises" that embrace open source software are finding it competitive advantage. We don't have to wait for IBM to fit us into their dev schedule (hint, we'll never make it in) because we can modify the product to do what we need.... and we don't have to keep paying for the privileged to use it every year.

If you think of IT as a cost center, you probably are an IBM customer, if you think of IT as a competitive advantage you're probably avoiding IBM...

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Regarding skill sets. I have only been in software 12 years or so, but I noticed a type of tech 'gamble'. Basically, when you decided to learn something in tech you are basically gambling that the tech will last. In 2007 many faced a simple decision: AS3 or iOS. Supposed you chose AS3. Then, worked on it from 2009-2012, quite profitably. Currently the AS3 job outlook is horrific, and all that knowledge is a waste. No…

In up markets it's easy to say, "I'm a mobile developer" but in a down market, only iOS will do. You're right there are gambles. I see 4 ways to mitigate this: 1 - Live somewhere that has many companies or be prepared to move. 2 - Keep in contact periodically with everyone who respects your work. (Don't make the "Hey it's been 5 years" call one where you're asking for a favor) 3 - Always keep learning. 4 - Communicat…

There's a professor, Economics at Harvard IIRC, who points out some telling characteristics of cities in this regard. Those with large numbers of smaller firms are far more creative in the long run than those with small numbers of large ones. Specific contrast were NYC and its garment district vs. the large industrial cities of Pittsburgh (steel) and Detroit (autos). Ironically, it's the cities which most successfully employ division of labour and assembly-line techniques which are penalised most harshly.

Link in a sec....

Benjamin Chintz came up with the theory. Edward Glaeser is the lecturer.

https://plus.google.com/104092656004159577193/posts/3uGHCweF...

http://fixyt.com/watch?v=r3Mvz-Mg2_A

Re: Reports Coming in of Big IBM Layoffs Underway in the U.S.

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You turned this into an H1Bs thing a heartbeat... And this in a country built by and welcoming towards immigrants. Shouldn't we be discussing how to make the industry and the life of H1Bs better?

How about first improving the life of our citizens?

Why are they mutually exclusive?

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A kid living in a household where neither parent can adequately provide for them because the economic opportunities are shrinking and offering no signs of ever improving, which often results in other toxic environmental conditions (stress about money, substance abuse, divorce, etc.), seems to me to be almost always worse than relocating to a new place in the long-term.

That's an adult view of things, not a kid's view. Most kids would rather stay and be a little poorer. What kids don't know is how bad things could get. They have no idea yet what it's like to live without safety nets.

Yes, and I'm an adult making decisions as an adult, not making decisions like a child would.

Otherwise my family would just burn through all our money and assets to pay for eating ice cream three meals a day. And we'd end up diabetic, broke, and probably soon dead once we exhausted our resources.

When you're dealing with difficult economic realities that include supporting your family and paying your mortgage, do you deal with them by thinking like a kid? What would be the point of that?

It's important to have the necessary empathy to make the disruption as minimal as possible, but also to have the maturity and forsight to make the decision to move out of whatever soon-to-be ghost town you're living in. Or so I would think.

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That's an adult view of things, not a kid's view. Most kids would rather stay and be a little poorer. What kids don't know is how bad things could get. They have no idea yet what it's like to live without safety nets.

Yes, and I'm an adult making decisions as an adult, not making decisions like a child would. Otherwise my family would just burn through all our money and assets to pay for eating ice cream three meals a day. And we'd end up diabetic, broke, and probably soon dead once we exhausted our resources. When you're dealing with difficult economic realities that include supporting your family and paying your mortgage, do you…

I don't see how this relates to my point in that children are not necessarily mobile (interpreted as moving easily with minimal stress or effort) because of the scope of thinking a child trends to be limited to.

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The only good sign for corporations is organic growth. Amazon has it right.

Can you define what you mean by organic growth in this context?

non-acquisition/merger growth.

Re: Reports Coming in of Big IBM Layoffs Underway in the U.S.

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your house is not a company. your lawnmower is not an employee, he's a vendor.

I own my house, the same way I would own a company. And I pay the lawn guy to do a job. I don't see the big difference.

its really kind mind blowing to me that you don't see a difference but I'll spell it out for you.

a company is an organization of humans. a house is an object.

You purchase a service from the lawn care vendor. You are their customer. You are not the employer of the guy who mows the lawn. That guy is either self-employed or he might be the employee of a lawncare company.

Re: Reports Coming in of Big IBM Layoffs Underway in the U.S.

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Regarding skill sets. I have only been in software 12 years or so, but I noticed a type of tech 'gamble'. Basically, when you decided to learn something in tech you are basically gambling that the tech will last. In 2007 many faced a simple decision: AS3 or iOS. Supposed you chose AS3. Then, worked on it from 2009-2012, quite profitably. Currently the AS3 job outlook is horrific, and all that knowledge is a waste. No…

Why GO? (out of curiosity, because doing some production things in Go already and successfully)

I suspect it's just mentioned as flavour-of-the-day. Though a flavour with a talented and proven chef.

Could as well be Haskell or ... honestly, I'm not keeping track so much any more.

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