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No Surprises (2009)

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Re: No Surprises (2009)

#41
post #2

(2009)

The internet is a source of constant dynamic change and the flexibility to adopt new synergies is essential to maintaining best in class shared experiences.

I've never had coffee come out of my nose before. Thank you for that experience :)

I just sat through an hour of shit like that. My eyelids were so heavy they nearly became a singularity.

Re: No Surprises (2009)

#42
post #8

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It's stuff like this that has an indirect effect that is much more serious than the change itself. Not all that long ago there was a thread here about 'why those bloody end users don't keep their systems up-to-date'. Well, there you have it: because they never just get the fixes, they also get all kinds of other junk rammed down their throats, if such an upgrade does not break their systems entirely. And so the end-u…

You raise an extremely good point that describes my feelings lately perfectly. How do HN folks manage the inevitable change in and monetization of popular and useful products? I'm having serious heartburn consuming updated products (e.g. Win 10 and FireFox). It seems that the forced dichotomy is Control, Ease of use, Features within 3 years: Pick two. I had been really happy with my customized FireFox and locked down…

I'm right there now. I just simplified everything by going back and looking for the technological singularity where everything just worked.

This is a really hard and uncomfortable thing after years of convenience along the same lines of going back to CDs after using mp3s but it's worth it.

Re: No Surprises (2009)

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That's the wrong question. The right question is how much Yahoo paid mozilla to do this. At a guess, a lot less than the $145M that mozilla got in the past from Google.

We had multiple offers on the table, all of which had improved finances compared to the previous contract. Yahoo's offer was focused on the US, which allowed us to partner with Yandex and Baidu in other regions of the world. All else being the same, I don't see how supporting a global search monoculture controlled by a direct competitor would have been in the best interests of the Web or of Mozilla.

What you could have done is this: change nothing for those users that had already downloaded mozilla and were happy with their results. Slamming around your users like that is for me expressly against the reasons why I'm using firefox and not one of the other browser offerings.

And I'm not exactly a google fanboy, to put it mildly.

Re: No Surprises (2009)

#46
post #40

Does "No Surprises" mean I won't find unwanted Firefox extensions pre-installed by Mozilla that are impossible to remove and only serve to reduce privacy by opening up new unwanted avenues to access my input and broadcast it over third party non-mozilla private networks? Shouldn't I at least be able to opt-out of a private video service running on a third party server that I have no terms of use or privacy policy cov…

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Re: No Surprises (2009)

#48
post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You raise an extremely good point that describes my feelings lately perfectly. How do HN folks manage the inevitable change in and monetization of popular and useful products? I'm having serious heartburn consuming updated products (e.g. Win 10 and FireFox). It seems that the forced dichotomy is Control, Ease of use, Features within 3 years: Pick two. I had been really happy with my customized FireFox and locked down…

I'm right there now. I just simplified everything by going back and looking for the technological singularity where everything just worked. This is a really hard and uncomfortable thing after years of convenience along the same lines of going back to CDs after using mp3s but it's worth it.

Hah. I actually am very happy with my music solution (for now). I buy CDs and rip them with iTunes to MP3 on my media PC to a network drive, and then manually sync my phone. I can play it on anything by opening a folder.

The UI is essentially put in CD, wait, have music, and sync phones occasionally.

What is your current setup that you're happy with?

Re: No Surprises (2009)

#49
post #26

I consider the way they hid the "block third party cookies" option a surprise. Mozilla is so dependent on Google and other companies' money, they can't be completely trusted to offer the best privacy out of the box. The fact that Safari has 3rd party cookies disabled by default whereas Firefox hasn't... is both telling and sad.

Just checked, got totally surprised. Firefox basically overwrote my previous setting on third-party cookies. As you said the new checkbox is very much hidden: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/disable-third-party-coo...

Look into RequestPolicy [Continued], it prevents those third party sites from even loading data via a request in the first place. It's very nice having that level of control if you find it to be worth the time to fiddle with a few sites' request settings. I find that I prefer the simplicity in a site loaded without a lot of third party BS (and often not even CSS for sites that use a CDN for it).

Re: No Surprises (2009)

#50
post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm right there now. I just simplified everything by going back and looking for the technological singularity where everything just worked. This is a really hard and uncomfortable thing after years of convenience along the same lines of going back to CDs after using mp3s but it's worth it.

Hah. I actually am very happy with my music solution (for now). I buy CDs and rip them with iTunes to MP3 on my media PC to a network drive, and then manually sync my phone. I can play it on anything by opening a folder. The UI is essentially put in CD, wait, have music, and sync phones occasionally. What is your current setup that you're happy with?

My entire outlay is now a single laptop running CentOS 7, a desktop as a backup machine if I kill the laptop, some earphones, a dumbphone and a USB stick and USB mp3 player in the car. I rsync the USB stick for the car periodically and that is it.

As for everything else, browser is Firefox still (ick) and the only services I use are an IMAP box and domain.

I gave up music on my phone, contact sync, email on my phone, navigation, everything. A simpler life seems to be better for me.

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