"When Google increased paid maternity leave from 12 weeks to 18 weeks, the number of new moms who quit Google dropped by 50%." This seems to be such a spectacularly good result that I wonder why they haven't tried it sooner.
Think women in tech is just a pipeline problem?
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#42Serious question: why are women so harsh to EACH OTHER? From the article: > both men and women were significantly more likely to hire a male applicant than a female applicant with an identical record. And from the linked studies: "Men only penalized female candidates for attempting to negotiate whereas women penalized both male and female candidates." And the pay rates, and drops, from here http://www.pnas.org/conten…
glib throwaway response: yeah, let's criticise women for being harsh to each other in an environment that is structurally biased against them! because they could use some extra criticism here! (i mean, yeah, that might genuinely be an interesting question to look into, but surely that isn't at the top of our list of priorities, right?)
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#43Didn't read the whole article but this stood out to me; "Confirm that men and women with the same qualifications are earning the same amount and that they are receiving promotions and raises at similar rates (and if not, explore why)." Yeah, no. I have never worked for a company which pays employees based on skill, it's all in salary negotiations. If you work for a company where salaries aren't public, then this is t…
How many companies claim to be a "meritocracy"? If it's a big lie, we should admit it.
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#44More generally, not specific to the dear tech industry, there's been a fantastic discussion on metafilter titled "“Where’s My Cut?”: On Unpaid Emotional Labor" [1]. If you are a person who has personal/professional relationships with other people, it's probably worth a read [2]. Anyhow, I'll quote an excerpt from one of the comments: > A married man is considered (in the sociology findings) to bring "more than" one p…
Also sounds like a bias against men. Men are perfectly capable of feeding and dressing themselves. And while I don't know what exactly "cruise directing" means in this context, there is no reason to believe that men aren't also capable of doing that either. I just got out of a relationship where I handled all those responsibilities. I wasn't compensated for it, nor did I expect to be. Insofar as my own generation is…
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#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'll run with your thought experiment. The article's very first example of unconscious gender bias suggests that ~2/3rds of investors prefer the same pitch delivered by a man than by a woman. So there's one example of women following your proposed approach needing to overcome structural disadvantage in order to obtain investment. The article goes on to enumerate more examples of this disadvantage, etc. I guess the po…
now this will sound sexist. believe me I am not - I'm just a dev and I wish we had more women in the field for reason I won't articulate here - take this as 'seen from vc eyes': on a big enterprise, the kind of which people work for more than ten years, maternity leave pay is just a fraction of the whole worker working life - say you work at a company ten years, it's just about 10% of productivity lost. less if you f…
One, who's on her way to her JD, remarked how it upset her that she'd always have extra baggage because she's a woman -- that no matter what the people hiring her would always factor in the chance she could become pregnant once, twice, or even more times.
Before I get off on the wrong foot, I think that maternity leave is a small price to pay if you have a good employee and anybody who turns down a woman for a petty reason like that should rethink how they're running their company.
That said, is it really sexist or is it just life? By that I mean is factoring in all potential issues the same as a hiring manager who thinks women are, by default, worse at X than men?
I almost want to liken it to my car insurance, as weird as it sounds. I have to pay a fair amount more simply because I'm a male and in my 20s. Sure, it's a form of discrimination, but it's also just life. A high enough percentage of us do cost the companies more money, so they charge us more.
A job is more important than car insurance, but my point isn't to compare the two and say they're of the same importance or argue in favor of discrimination.
It's late and I don't think I'm making my point clearly enough, but I kind of wanted to get it down on paper.
Sometimes I feel there are parts of life that you can't really change or blame people for taking into consideration. Whether the fact that women produce babies is something that should be taken into consideration, that's (obviously) something we as a society need to figure out.
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#46> These biases occur unconsciously and without intention or malice. As someone who has faced situations where a gender microagression has caused workplace conflict, the above quote cannot be stressed enough. Just because you didn't have the intention to be biased or discriminate does not mean it did not happen. For some reason this concept eludes even the sharpest people. We all have our biases. It's about time we ow…
What is "gender microagression”?
It's when a guy kindly asks a woman to stop debating a technical spec because she wouldn't understand the details (even though she's more technical than he is).
It's when a sales guy makes a joke with his female colleague that her eye makeup is what is closing deals that day.
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#47They leave out all details on how the study was conducted. Does anyone know whether it was the same words, and they just changed the name, or if they actually composed different pitches?
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#48Most likely this submission will be flagged as most sexism or racism articles get flagged. Corporate American needs a major reform. US society need a major reform. Our culture and community need major reforms. The way boys and girls are raised need to be changed, the way they are educated and develop social skills and people skills need to change as well. As it is Corporate America and the Tech industry has developed…
> When I was a young boy in the 1970s it was different People in the 70's thought work life was hellacious and going deeper into hell, just like today, and every decade since (and probably every prior decade). I recall people declaring they weren't going to have children and bring them into the rotten world. Of course, the politicians all campaigned on fixing everything, just like today, and nothing changed, just lik…
People still declare that: http://www.vhemt.org/
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#50"When Google increased paid maternity leave from 12 weeks to 18 weeks, the number of new moms who quit Google dropped by 50%." This seems to be such a spectacularly good result that I wonder why they haven't tried it sooner.
Well, they didn't know, did they. But I would say that with such good results, they might want to increase it even further. 18 weeks is still rather short.
I'm all for maternity leave, I think it's important, and there are too many companies that don't offer any, or enough. That said, there's a point where you really aren't an employee anymore. I'm not saying they should shorten their leave, but making it longer probably isn't a great idea.