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Re: Bootstrapping in Saigon

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As a long time resident of Thailand also with a wife and young child I'm curious why you consider Vietnam a better choice. There are some similarities like flip/flopping government policies and the whole face thing. One difference seems to be that Thais are generally very nice and polite on the surface (often while they are ripping you off).

People leave you alone in Vietnam. The times I've been in Thailand, people were always in my grill. Nobody seems particularly interest in me here, which coming from NYC is a treasured thing. When they are interested in you, it seems genuine, Thailand always feels insincere. I've also never felt unsafe in Vietnam, except for once. I've been in a lot of dicey situations in Bangkok though. I also feel like you are less…

That's completely opposite of my experience. I guess we have to chalk it up to different people have different experiences. It's also hard to compare experiences as a tourist with those of a long term resident.

If I attempt to aggregate various comments and my own experiences I think one of the few major differences is the visa situation. For younger people who aren't employed by a local business or married to a Thai citizen Thailand is a pain for a stay longer than 3 months.

Re: Bootstrapping in Saigon

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Hey Hacker News, What a nice surprise to see this oldie pop up. I'm Jon Myers, the guy who wrote the article. Nice to meet you all. Hard to believe, I wrote that article over 2 years ago. Some things were a bit naive, I need to update it. I've planted roots now in Saigon and am here for the near future. I told my friend the other day, Saigon is like an onion wrapped around a sweet lychee. Initially a bit harsh on the…

> I started my mobile entrepreneurial journey over 20 years ago (I know, dating myself) in Taipei, Taiwan. I am extremely curious how old you are and where you are from. Reading the blog post, I had pictured in my mind an excited young man who grew up immersed in popular programming culture, reading blogs, the world was your oyster, that sort of thing. But then I read this comment and it seems you're married, not par…

LMAO thanks mann, I will take that as a compliment.

I'm 42 years old.

I don't know if it is flattery and bullshitting - lol - but, when most people meet me they are quite surprised by my age.

I still do read all the blogs, am immersed in programming culture, and feel as if the world is my oyster.

The average age of my friends here is probably around 26 or 28. However, I have good friends that are 21 and I have other friends older than me.

Really doesn't cross my mind much.

I usually do some form of training everyday. Usually strength training, though I've been in hiatus with mostly body weight exercises, as I wait for the new gym at Vincom to open. I used to box and do martial arts, and have been able to maintain staying in good shape. That is very key.

Being physically active, combined with always meeting new people - helps you avoid becoming the angry, old expat who knows everything and wishes for the good old days. Mental fitness.

I've got my skateboard here and still skate occasionally, but not in that ex-skater mid-life crisis way. lol - I've never stopped. Can still bomb stairs, ride fast and am fine keeping up with the younger local guys I skate with.

Still surf (thought I still suck at it) - when I get the chance. Took a surf trip to Sri Lanka year before last, when I had to be in Dubai for a project.

I avoided the trifecta of Marriage, Mortgage and Children, all of my adult life. I've been focused on three things - bulding relationships, mastery of what I love (design) and building businesses.

That latter part, relationships, design and business hasn't changed. I still love those things. I still welcome new people. I still make new friends everyday and I still love what I do.

The marriage part - I'm more or less an atheist for all sense and purpose, and really never thought about marriage.

Over the years, I never settled.

Then I met my match.

I still go out with my friends all the time, tonight, Friday night, I will go out with my friends and probably be out til 4 or 5AM.

That's not my wife's thing - but we have trust - and we give each other space and freedom. If I get home at 2AM - she might say - "why are you home so early, everything ok?"

She has her space, I have my space, we have a good foundation - and we compliment each other well.

If you're in Saigon, hit me up.

I always love meeting new people.

Re: Bootstrapping in Saigon

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That is a very informative post! However, if you are willing to spend $900-$1000 per month on housing, you can technically look at almost every Asian city (perhaps not the very center of the city, but a decent neighborhood). Because $1000 is indeed a lot of money for accommodation when compared to the standard of living in most of the world. I live in Seattle and pay $1500 for 2BR2BA apartment that I share with a roommate in a nice neighborhood (not Capitol Hill - that place is going out of the roof!)

I am from India and I worked in Bengaluru and Delhi before this. I used to pay about ~$500 for a studio 3 years ago. In Bengaluru, you now have tremendous access to Venture Capital (including the Silicon Valley names like Sequoia), great incubators, work spaces, and a lot of talent and IT type crowd. English is no-problem.

On the negative, you must be willing to spend inordinate amounts of time in traffic - you can own bikes just like in Saigon, but the roads have potholes :-D - breathe polluted air, potentially fall sick because of poor hygiene and eating outside food.

Re: Bootstrapping in Saigon

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That is a very informative post! However, if you are willing to spend $900-$1000 per month on housing, you can technically look at almost every Asian city (perhaps not the very center of the city, but a decent neighborhood). Because $1000 is indeed a lot of money for accommodation when compared to the standard of living in most of the world. I live in Seattle and pay $1500 for 2BR2BA apartment that I share with a roo…

Thanks buddy. Price alone really wasn't the impetus for me writing the article. For $1,000/ month you can look at most asian cities - and yes, you can look at US cities. You could bootstrap in Columbus, Ohio - Detroit or Omaha for a similar price point.

What I was getting at is - the scene - the people here, the combination of factors and overall value.

That coupled with a lot of the other factors - is the distinguishing point not just price.

Like I said below though, a lot of things have change - imo - for the better. I need to update the article soon.

I need to get back to India. I lived there for a year in 1999. I can't imagine how it has changed now.

Cheers.

Re: Bootstrapping in Saigon

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$900 a month for a two bedroom seems really high to me. You can get a nice 2br in Austin for around the same.

Pricing is always relative. (and pretty personal) My guess is the place you can get in Austin for $900/month isn't a fair comparison to the place you'd get in Saigon for the same.

Saigon place: - Furnished - In central district (D1) - Short-term lease - Maid included? (possibly) - Might include cable, internet, phone, electric, etc.

Re: Bootstrapping in Saigon

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for those that lived in Southeast Asia, how does Vietnam stack up to other places? Obvious attraction is the cheap cost of living. However, one does wonder if this comes with some sort of catch. Would East Asian countries like China, Taiwan, Korea, Japan be any different or is it worth paying more to live in those countries instead of South East Asia? I guess best thing is to try it out, but would be great if we coul…

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Re: Bootstrapping in Saigon

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> I started my mobile entrepreneurial journey over 20 years ago (I know, dating myself) in Taipei, Taiwan. I am extremely curious how old you are and where you are from. Reading the blog post, I had pictured in my mind an excited young man who grew up immersed in popular programming culture, reading blogs, the world was your oyster, that sort of thing. But then I read this comment and it seems you're married, not par…

LMAO thanks mann, I will take that as a compliment. I'm 42 years old. I don't know if it is flattery and bullshitting - lol - but, when most people meet me they are quite surprised by my age. I still do read all the blogs, am immersed in programming culture, and feel as if the world is my oyster. The average age of my friends here is probably around 26 or 28. However, I have good friends that are 21 and I have other…

I must say, it sounds like an interesting life, good job.

One other thing I'm curious about, considering your level of fitness, are you noticing any physical deterioration at 42? By that I mean you can't bench what you used to, I'm talking more intangible "feeling" that your body is breaking down a bit, like when getting up off the floor...lol

Re: Bootstrapping in Saigon

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post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

LMAO thanks mann, I will take that as a compliment. I'm 42 years old. I don't know if it is flattery and bullshitting - lol - but, when most people meet me they are quite surprised by my age. I still do read all the blogs, am immersed in programming culture, and feel as if the world is my oyster. The average age of my friends here is probably around 26 or 28. However, I have good friends that are 21 and I have other…

I must say, it sounds like an interesting life, good job. One other thing I'm curious about, considering your level of fitness, are you noticing any physical deterioration at 42? By that I mean you can't bench what you used to, I'm talking more intangible "feeling" that your body is breaking down a bit, like when getting up off the floor...lol

Haha, I was a vegetarian for 20 years -- 15 to 35 years old. For 4 of those years I was vegan.

I've mostly done some form of fitness and athletics all my life. That certainly helps.

Though, when I was vegetarian it was hard for me to build muscle.

That changed when I started eating meat and switched to a mostly paleo style diet. I suddenly built more muscle and found it easier to maintain.

The one thing that being vegetarian all those years probably helped with is it helped me be more conscious of food. Also, it helped me skip a lot of the bad dietary habits you form in your 20s and pay for when you get older.

I see a lot of my 20 something friends making that mistake and putting off the effort to form the right habits now.

It'll catch up. I'd say start getting the right habits in place immediately.

Anyhow, I caught a lucky break there.

In terms of losing strength, I don't think so. I might be in better shape than in my 20s.

Squats are pretty consistent at 150 - 170kgs. Bench is still strong.

One thing I'm big on is the habits and routine.

I mostly work from home everyday and work in pomodoros (30 - 45 min focused sprints) with 5 - 10 min breaks.

I keep a 30kg kettle bell and another free weight in my office. So when the timer goes off - take exercise breaks.

I also work most of the day standing, which helps a lot.

I'm also pretty competitive, so things like sprints at the track and basketball help with the cardio side.

The last full body analysis I did in Bangkok at Bumrungrad Hospital, it took me 13 minutes to hit my target heart rate on the treadmill.

And, I drink too much, smoke too much shisha, go out too much, occasionally dabble in substances I shouldn't and dance too much. lol

So, who knows. Find a balance that works for you I guess.

Saigon, by the way is a great place to find that balance.

I found the lifestyle optimizations from the food to fitness and fun easy to sort out here.

One reason I decided to base here.

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