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Re: Nearly every job in America, mapped in detail

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Post by protomyth »

jnordwick wrote: post #37
protomyth wrote: post #5

Other than it seems to only allows zooming in cities, its data is pretty wrong looking at the local map. I don't see the local manufacturing plant or any farm jobs.

Farm jobs are generally not included in the employment statistics gathered (nor for military occupations) for historical reasons. There was a push in the 80s the change that.

Uhm, agriculture is listed as "Number of jobs in NAICS sector 11 (Agriculture, Forestry, Fishing and Hunting)"[1] which is coded CNS01 in the csv tables[2].

1) http://lehd.ces.census.gov/data/lodes/LODES7/LODESTechDoc7.0...

2) http://lehd.ces.census.gov/data/#lodes

Re: Nearly every job in America, mapped in detail

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Post by TheGRS »

Noticing an issue with zoom levels. It appears there is only a national zoom resolution, another at the 4-5 states level and then one more resolution at the tiny, neighborhood level. There's not a good resolution for looking at the state level or metropolitan level unfortunately.

Re: Nearly every job in America, mapped in detail

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Post by morganvachon »

bullgod66 wrote: post #6

It's so sad that most jobs are not interesting. The only thing that is actually interesting is theoretical math, and there are no jobs in industry that require that - all of the interesting jobs are in academia, and the competition is too intense except for the very top. What a cruel world we live in.

Speak for yourself. My day job involves taking apart and diagnosing small electronics, and repairing them if necessary. I find that fulfilling and nearly every day I come across something I haven't seen before, or I come up with a new fix for a new problem. If that was all I did at work all day, I'd be content to stay here indefinitely. The only reason I'm looking elsewhere is because I only get to spend about 15% of my work day doing that. The rest is sitting at a desk answering phone calls, which might be the best job in the world to someone out there but it isn't to me.

In other words, what's good for you isn't good for everyone. If you drop the selfish attitude you'll realize that your happiness matters to one person: You.

Re: Nearly every job in America, mapped in detail

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Post by thaumasiotes »

jnordwick wrote: post #38
c-slice wrote: post #18

For some reason, the map seems to be categorizing technology jobs as green (Healthcare, Education, and Government). Look at SF, and it's almost completely green.

Based on industry. It is based on industry not category of job. E.e., everybody at McDonalds is classified as food services even if they are sys admins.

I've heard this as an explanation for the US's perceived lack of "manufacturing" jobs -- if a factory employs its own maintenance people / janitors / whatever, those are manufacturing jobs, but if the factory contracts with another company to send people to do the same work, those are service jobs.

Re: Nearly every job in America, mapped in detail

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Post by timdierks »

I really don't understand the classification. Most of Manhattan appears to be predominantly green. And while there's plenty of government/education/healthcare workers here, I don't think that's a reasonable classification for most of the companies with big offices in NYC. Something is off.

Re: Nearly every job in America, mapped in detail

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Post by noselasd »

bullgod66 wrote: post #17
placeybordeaux wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Software development is not interesting Interesting premise, lets see where he goes! > I don't understand what is intellectually interesting about it. Oh.

What is intellectually interesting about just copying and pasting code from a library? I think we can all agree that it is significantly (orders of magnitude) less interesting than solving abstract math problems.

What has led you to the conclusion that everyone would agree with that ? I certainly do not agree.

Re: Nearly every job in America, mapped in detail

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Post by tuckermi »

jnordwick wrote: post #36

This it not the TYPE of job, but by INDUSTRY it appears from looking at the LED (Longitudinal Employer-Household Dynamics) description. The difference is incredibly important. Have 500 workers including janitorial, secretarial, programmers, and executives at a high-tech company and they are all reported as high-tech workers regardless if the highest tech they touch is a floor waxer. Or have some IT people at a hotel…

Your observation is spot-on and I agree that it's important not to misread this data set, but I think it still has some valuable uses. While I would rather see more detail, I am interested to see how different industries impact overall employment in the economy even if I can't bucket all the individual jobs under one heading.

With that said, given that a lot of companies contract out for non-core work (e.g. janitorial, kitchen/food-preparation in cafeterias, etc), I wonder how that is handled in this dataset? In particular, what location would be associated with a given contract worker. Would it be their employer's address or the address where they provide services?

Re: Nearly every job in America, mapped in detail

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Post by jnordwick »

protomyth wrote: post #41
jnordwick wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Farm jobs are generally not included in the employment statistics gathered (nor for military occupations) for historical reasons. There was a push in the 80s the change that.

Uhm, agriculture is listed as "Number of jobs in NAICS sector 11 (Agriculture, Forestry, Fishing and Hunting)"[1] which is coded CNS01 in the csv tables[2]. 1) http://lehd.ces.census.gov/data/lodes/LODES7/LODESTechDoc7.0... 2) http://lehd.ces.census.gov/data/#lodes

Those still aren't farm jobs. From the LODES description of what it doesn't count:

"Business owners, self-employed persons, some temporary workers, family farmers, military personnel, and others are typically outside of this frame, are not covered, and thus not counted in LODES."

http://www.datafinder.org/metadata/CensusWorkplaceAreaCharac...

Re: Nearly every job in America, mapped in detail

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Post by jnordwick »

tuckermi wrote: post #47
jnordwick wrote: post #36

This it not the TYPE of job, but by INDUSTRY it appears from looking at the LED (Longitudinal Employer-Household Dynamics) description. The difference is incredibly important. Have 500 workers including janitorial, secretarial, programmers, and executives at a high-tech company and they are all reported as high-tech workers regardless if the highest tech they touch is a floor waxer. Or have some IT people at a hotel…

Your observation is spot-on and I agree that it's important not to misread this data set, but I think it still has some valuable uses. While I would rather see more detail, I am interested to see how different industries impact overall employment in the economy even if I can't bucket all the individual jobs under one heading. With that said, given that a lot of companies contract out for non-core work (e.g. janitoria…

Employer. These are all done through payroll numbers and some self-reports to fill in the gaps maybe. I'm guessing, similar to the monthly ESR establishment survey.
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