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But that's not the sense that "native GUI" has ever had. Widgets are only part of the picture, regardless -- a GUI is defined by the layout, behavior, interaction model, and widgets.
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No, nothing at all is native. That it's rendered in GL doesn't make it native. It uses a cross-platform events layer, which is by definition non-native.
Best not tell that to the Qt devs ;)
Anyway, this argument is ridiculous because all my point was, is that this project only means "native GUI" in the sense that it's a GUI that runs without an intermediate rendering engine (ie web browser). I was just trying to defend an interesting project against the hoards of negative semantic-Nazi's. I get rather sick of the poisonous attitude some have towards other peoples hard work so felt it was only fair to offer a counter argument defending it. But I did so forgetting just how vehemently opinionated many are and now really wish I hadn't bothered because this argument has spiralled well beyond the original point.
Sure, in an ideal world this project would be using vendor APIs rather than OpenGL - but this does actually work and is pretty damn cool, even if it is a bit of hack. And if we're honest, isn't hacking meant to be the point of this forums? Or is this community now just a place for intelligent people to belittle other intelligent people?
Honestly, sometimes I just sigh at the number of pot-shots people make on here and how it's now become the acceptable norm. I'm sure it wasn't like this when I first joined.
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What can be done and what's actually done are two very different things. Fully replicating something as simple as a button can be very hard. Its look depends on the OS, OS version, OS theme, OS scaling setting, OS font settings, the language (left-to-right, right-to-left). It has to support all kinds of OS accessibility hooks. It has to support all kinds of input devices. It has to follow the tab-focus rules. These a…
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No, nothing at all is native. That it's rendered in GL doesn't make it native. It uses a cross-platform events layer, which is by definition non-native.
> cross-platform != native Best not tell that to the Qt devs ;) Anyway, this argument is ridiculous because all my point was, is that this project only means "native GUI" in the sense that it's a GUI that runs without an intermediate rendering engine (ie web browser). I was just trying to defend an interesting project against the hoards of negative semantic-Nazi's. I get rather sick of the poisonous attitude some hav…
Speaking only for myself, I feel that words are very powerful, and that it's important for us to be precise in usage. I certainly didn't mean to denigrate this project, or the talented folks behind it.
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> cross-platform != native Best not tell that to the Qt devs ;) Anyway, this argument is ridiculous because all my point was, is that this project only means "native GUI" in the sense that it's a GUI that runs without an intermediate rendering engine (ie web browser). I was just trying to defend an interesting project against the hoards of negative semantic-Nazi's. I get rather sick of the poisonous attitude some hav…
I'm sorry you felt that the responses were hostile, that certainly wasn't my intent. Mood is awfully tough to get right on a bulletin board. Speaking only for myself, I feel that words are very powerful, and that it's important for us to be precise in usage. I certainly didn't mean to denigrate this project, or the talented folks behind it.