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Re: My name is only real enough to work at Facebook, not to use on the site

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Post by mc32 »

eevee wrote: post #40
mc32 wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

However, many other traditions are much more restrictive regarding personal names[1]. Some countries require the names to be gender specific. So blaming protestants from the British isles (and their American relations) is quite misplaced and inaccurate. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naming_law

Forget what the article says, about some people not even being allowed to use their own names — what's really important here is that we not write anything that remotely sounds like blaming white people.

You can blame Germans and French if you like. It would be accurate, in some contexts. But blaming protestant Anglos here is factually incorrect. Would you rather they further misinformation and mischaracterize people and history just because they feel like it?

Re: My name is only real enough to work at Facebook, not to use on the site

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Post by eevee »

mc32 wrote: post #41
eevee wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Forget what the article says, about some people not even being allowed to use their own names — what's really important here is that we not write anything that remotely sounds like blaming white people.

You can blame Germans and French if you like. It would be accurate, in some contexts. But blaming protestant Anglos here is factually incorrect. Would you rather they further misinformation and mischaracterize people and history just because they feel like it?

I have no idea why you keep going on about various other countries' naming laws, when the passage in question wasn't even talking about enforcement at all:

> Facebook likes to think of names as a one-to-one mapping. You have one name, and that name is how people refer to you at all times. It’s a very WASP notion of how names work, and the reality is far more complex.

Facebook, as an American company, inherited its ideas about names from mainstream American (i.e., WASP) culture. This was a poor choice, because those ideas do not also cover how some other cultures treat names. That's all this is saying. Your interpretation of this as "inflammatory" and "mischaracterizing history" is frankly baffling.

Re: My name is only real enough to work at Facebook, not to use on the site

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Post by mc32 »

eevee wrote: post #42
mc32 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can blame Germans and French if you like. It would be accurate, in some contexts. But blaming protestant Anglos here is factually incorrect. Would you rather they further misinformation and mischaracterize people and history just because they feel like it?

I have no idea why you keep going on about various other countries' naming laws, when the passage in question wasn't even talking about enforcement at all: > Facebook likes to think of names as a one-to-one mapping. You have one name, and that name is how people refer to you at all times. It’s a very WASP notion of how names work, and the reality is far more complex. Facebook, as an American company, inherited its id…

Is the founder of FB protestant, or maybe the leadership? Does vkontakte, a foreign company, in a country with no protestant culture offer less restrictive naming policies?

Characterizing the issue as one caused (and the inference is only protestant Anglo culture would cause) this kind of names requirement is disconnected from reality. Companies in non Anglo and non protestant places have similar and even more restrictive policies. And also this idea of names is not an Anglo concept, as it was characterized.

Re: My name is only real enough to work at Facebook, not to use on the site

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Post by informatimago »

teaneedz wrote: post #36

Personally, I disagree with this one point. > Cynics will tell you that using your “real name” is so they can sell your details to advertisers. That’s not the case. Facebook is selling access to their profile of a person for targeted ads and tracking across the web - which includes a real name. No, I haven't worked at FB, but I get the business side from a Product Management perspective. Yes, ad impressions can facto…

”I guess the real question is, "Are we willing to walk the talk and support the companies that are standing up for users on this issue as well as privacy?"“

An interesting question.

So on one hand we see that we have some kinds of companies that can provide useful global services (facebook, google, wikipedia, sourceforge (before ads), mozilla, github, etc), but it is impractical, unsavory or counter productive to make "users" pay (because we're not only passive "users", but active contributors to the services facilitated by those companies.

The "solution" found by those companies is to extract the needed money from other companies in exchange for advertisement.

On the other hand, we can print money to give to banksters only to satisfies their shareholders, and with no benefit whatsoever to the general population, on the contrary.

What if, instead, we printed money to give to those internet companies and associations providing useful services? They wouldn't then have to use advertisements, and therefore could better protect the privacy of the users/contributors.

Re: My name is only real enough to work at Facebook, not to use on the site

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Post by Qualman »

x3n0ph3n3 wrote: post #5
logicallee wrote: post #3

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>Facebook is terrible. Ditch it entirely And then...? What? Try to get people to invite you to events on Google Hangouts or whatever Google has?

Or you could, say, call, text, and e-mail people you want to be in contact with. The idea that someone can be completely cut off from all their contacts just because they lose their Facebook account is absurd and reckless on the part of the user.

It may be absurd, but it's not at all uncommon. Sending group invites via SMS is an incredibly kludgy experience, and following the path of least resistance, is so unrealistic when you have Facebook events at your fingertips. All of your friends are already there, and you merely need to change the details, and Facebook handles all the communication.

Re: My name is only real enough to work at Facebook, not to use on the site

#46

Post by teaneedz »

informatimago wrote: post #44
teaneedz wrote: post #36

Personally, I disagree with this one point. > Cynics will tell you that using your “real name” is so they can sell your details to advertisers. That’s not the case. Facebook is selling access to their profile of a person for targeted ads and tracking across the web - which includes a real name. No, I haven't worked at FB, but I get the business side from a Product Management perspective. Yes, ad impressions can facto…

”I guess the real question is, "Are we willing to walk the talk and support the companies that are standing up for users on this issue as well as privacy?"“ An interesting question. So on one hand we see that we have some kinds of companies that can provide useful global services (facebook, google, wikipedia, sourceforge (before ads), mozilla, github, etc), but it is impractical, unsavory or counter productive to mak…

An interesting proposition, but since so much of the online (even offline) world is ad driven these days (or rushing to be), there would be too many businesses wanting a piece of that action which might contribute to an shortage of ink :) (figuratively speaking).

Re: My name is only real enough to work at Facebook, not to use on the site

#47

Post by chx »

jackvalentine wrote: post #38
chx wrote: post #18

Not trans but I identify with the letters "chx" much more strongly than my real name. There are thousands, perhaps ten of thousands of people out there who know me by this nick and nothing else. My own brother often calls me that. British Columbia doesn't allow me to take a single word as a legal name but once I get citizenship I am very seriously considering changing my legal name to a name where the abbreviation ma…

How is it pronounced? "chix"? or spelled out C.H.X?

I heard both :) not to mention the Hungarian pronunciation of c-h-x where I originally come from -- I am using this nick for more than twenty years and 1993-2005 I heard it only in Hungarian as my contact with the Western world was mostly virtual. Then everything changed at the first DrupalCon in Antwerp but I am getting off topic here.

Re: My name is only real enough to work at Facebook, not to use on the site

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Post by imron »

cgtyoder wrote: post #15

So, "Zip" used to work there and she hasn't used her connections to get this resolved? While it's unfortunate that this happened, that's pretty standard in this situation. Make a call - it sounds like she knows the right people.

And what about all the people who don't have contacts at Facebook?

Re: My name is only real enough to work at Facebook, not to use on the site

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Post by jackvalentine »

chx wrote: post #47
jackvalentine wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is it pronounced? "chix"? or spelled out C.H.X?

I heard both :) not to mention the Hungarian pronunciation of c-h-x where I originally come from -- I am using this nick for more than twenty years and 1993-2005 I heard it only in Hungarian as my contact with the Western world was mostly virtual. Then everything changed at the first DrupalCon in Antwerp but I am getting off topic here.

That is a more fantastic answer than I thought i'd get! Even the pronunciation doesn't adhere to traditional name conventions :-)

I love it, good luck.

Re: My name is only real enough to work at Facebook, not to use on the site

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Post by protomyth »

eevee wrote: post #29
runn1ng wrote: post #12

How illegal is to provide a fake ID documents to Facebook? ("fake" in the sense of "editing it in Photoshop")

Why would it be illegal at all? Facebook isn't a government authority.

Well, faking documents for a bank is a crime, so just because they aren't government doesn't provide protection.
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