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How Did Israel Become the “Start-Up Nation”?

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Re: How Did Israel Become the “Start-Up Nation”?

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What does this list have to do with the article? I don't really understand what you're trying to say here.

Er, Israel is a mainly Jewish country. He's suggesting that being Jewish might be correlated to entrepreneurial success.

But what is he trying to "say"?

Is he implying that it is a cabal, or that being Jewish is superior? If the latter, does he think it is a memetic or is it a genetic advantage?

Re: How Did Israel Become the “Start-Up Nation”?

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"From the age of zero we [Israelis] are educated to challenge the obvious, ask questions, debate everything" Why do you think they don't question their religion?

What do you mean 'their' religion? Israel is made up of people from all different religions, and on average people over there are much less religious than in the US.

Israel is made up of a lot of different religion - but it's about 75% Jewish. Of those, the clear majority are what I'd consider religious (i.e., attend Temple, practice religious rituals, believe in God) according to http://www.jcpa.org/dje/articles2/relinisr-consensus.htm.

I have no idea why you are comparing Israel's religiosity to Americas, since I never claimed we were any better.

Re: How Did Israel Become the “Start-Up Nation”?

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Most Jewish* Israelis live secular lives. Not sure where you get the idea that they don't question religion. *1.5 million Israelis are Arab Muslims.

Well, the nation certainly doesn't act secularly since they treat people differently based on their religion (the law of return, as an obvious example). And you're flat out wrong that most Jewish Israeli's live 'secular lives.' It's a common misconception - but the most comprehensive survey done on the matter that I could find ( http://www.jcpa.org/dje/articles2/relinisr-consensus.htm ) says otherwise. About 20% of J…

Again it's a question of definitions. Israelis define "religious" differently. About 20-30% of Israelis are what Americans would consider "religious", about a 1/3 of that is "ultra-religious".

The 20% that consider themselves "secular", REALY mean secular. As in, hard-core-athiest. They eat pork, and it's not a statement, it's just meat. You'd love them.

To clarify what lies between let me explain. In a recent survey some 75% of Israelis claimed to keep some form of kosher. For the majority of that sample space "kosher" meant lobster but no pork. Both equally unkosher, but there is a stigma attached to pork. All the same, these same lobster-jews would be very offended if you called them non-religious, they are in their OWN WAY. In American definition they are "non-practicing", but not in their own.

The "subsantial-minority" is a weasel word. But is largely limited to what would be termed "ultra-religious", and they are entitled to their opinion, thats a democracy for you. Last I checked, there was a substantial-minority in the US that considered seculars dangerous, their called the religious right.

Either way, this has NOTHING to do with startups.

Israelis, like anyone else, are complex people. Up close, Israelis are hard working, an incredible combination of the empathic and the aggressive. Some are good some are bad, most are a bit of both.

And speaking as a religious person, everyone questions their faith, and even more their "religion". I don't know anyone who is that simple. Don't turn people into caricature.

Re: How Did Israel Become the “Start-Up Nation”?

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Er, Israel is a mainly Jewish country. He's suggesting that being Jewish might be correlated to entrepreneurial success.

But what is he trying to "say"? Is he implying that it is a cabal, or that being Jewish is superior? If the latter, does he think it is a memetic or is it a genetic advantage?

Not making conclusions, just posting interesting data. I would bet that most of the Jewish people on this list are pretty secular though, and along with all the athiest/agnostics on the list, I think the biggest shared trait is independent thinking.
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