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11-Year-Old Boy Played in His Yard. CPS Took Him, Felony Charge for Parents

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post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

in Australia So, in Victoria at least, it was recently made illegal to leave your kids in the car for any length of time. Going inside to pay at the petrol station? Take your kids with you. Admittedly it's not going to end you up in the middle of the story in the article, and you're going to have to be pretty unlucky to find a cop who's enough of a dickhead to apply this law apropos of no other issues, but technicall…

Really? Holy crap! I live in Victoria (don't have kids), and this is news to me. I remember that it's illegal to leave your kids in cars on hot days, but that's it.

State legislation rarely makes the news, unless it's about a new highway somewhere :)

Last Week Tonight did an episode on how state legislatures in the US are passing heaps of legislation "on the sly" (scare quotes because it's not really sly, just no-one watches them...), and it's similar over here. Hell, I keep forgetting our current premier's name, and I voted for him... and I couldn't tell you the name of a single other state politician who isn't a party leader. I've even forgotten the name of the guy involved in the union scandal last week...

Re: 11-Year-Old Boy Played in His Yard. CPS Took Him, Felony Charge for Parents

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Maybe it's just me but I'm having a hard time taking this story seriously. The list of affronts visited on the family (strip searches, cops pissing on property, foster worse than the parents, humiliation of the parents by the state) makes it a story sound almost too good to be true if you are looking to rile up your readership. No identifying information is another big red flag, the parents of the free range kids has…

Every time I can fact check a story from reason.com it's almost always not telling the whole truth.

I like alternate media picking up on buried stories, I just wish they could do it without lying but perhaps this is why the stories are not picked up, they are more complicated than reason.com's simple tales.

Re: 11-Year-Old Boy Played in His Yard. CPS Took Him, Felony Charge for Parents

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I looked up the relevant part of the legal code:

3)(a) "Neglect of a child" means:

1. A caregiver's failure or omission to provide a child with the care, supervision, and services necessary to maintain the child's physical and mental health, including, but not limited to, food, nutrition, clothing, shelter, supervision, medicine, and medical services that a prudent person would consider essential for the well-being of the child; or

2. A caregiver's failure to make a reasonable effort to protect a child from abuse, neglect, or exploitation by another person.

Neglect of a child may be based on repeated conduct or on a single incident or omission that results in, or could reasonably be expected to result in, serious physical or mental injury, or a substantial risk of death, to a child.

If I'm reading it correctly, an incident like this could have been legal grounds to charge the parents with neglect if and only if it was repeated conduct - e.g., they had repeatedly locked the kid out of the house. If not, any judge would through this case out immediately.

Note: I'm not a lawyer and may be entirely wrong.

Re: 11-Year-Old Boy Played in His Yard. CPS Took Him, Felony Charge for Parents

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post #21

I say this literally every time a story like this pops up but, as ever, I'll say it again: Have the (adults) in charge completely lost their minds? Is the government so out of touch with reality that this makes sense to them? I loved going on walks or riding my bike to the shops or sleeping in/playing at home when i was 10 or 11, and yet now this seems all but impossible to consider? How the hell did this happen?

> How the hell did this happen? Standard: Some bad parents actually do exist. So, with a few such examples, some people who want to get attention get some laws passed and set up CPS with some really big powers, e.g., ones that violate little things like due process. Some of the laws mention felonies. Then the CPS department gets created, funded, and staffed. Then a phone call comes in, and CPS swings into action . Th…

The part you didn't mention is where CPS, and individual CPS employees are sued, and lambasted in the press when they don't act, and then something happens downstream, and they end up taking all the blame.

I tend to agree with your general theme though, that what we're seeing is the result of system systems that have been funded, and now are doing what they were created to do.

Re: 11-Year-Old Boy Played in His Yard. CPS Took Him, Felony Charge for Parents

#45

Maybe it's just me but I'm having a hard time taking this story seriously. The list of affronts visited on the family (strip searches, cops pissing on property, foster worse than the parents, humiliation of the parents by the state) makes it a story sound almost too good to be true if you are looking to rile up your readership. No identifying information is another big red flag, the parents of the free range kids has…

Maybe the parents simply contacted the author with the story and asked not to be named. It's kind of pointless journalism though if you have no verifiable facts. In some other stories she uses real and full names; she has a TV show and is a published author; I don't feel like she made this up.

She has a pretty good reputation, and has had no shortage of stories like this to report on, so I doubt she want or need to would tarnish all that.

It might just be that in a country with 300 million people, this is going to happen once in a while. It may or may not represent a general erosion of parent's rights and civil liberties.

Re: 11-Year-Old Boy Played in His Yard. CPS Took Him, Felony Charge for Parents

#46

Maybe it's just me but I'm having a hard time taking this story seriously. The list of affronts visited on the family (strip searches, cops pissing on property, foster worse than the parents, humiliation of the parents by the state) makes it a story sound almost too good to be true if you are looking to rile up your readership. No identifying information is another big red flag, the parents of the free range kids has…

Every time I can fact check a story from reason.com it's almost always not telling the whole truth. I like alternate media picking up on buried stories, I just wish they could do it without lying but perhaps this is why the stories are not picked up, they are more complicated than reason.com's simple tales.

I have the same experience. There are no other reports of this story (apart from Skenazy's blog). I went looking through Florida police blotters in April for neglect charges. I read some pretty heinous shit (cages, for instance, were involved in one case). Nothing this dumb.

Skenazy doesn't even need to be biased or dishonest for this story not to be the whole truth (or true at all); she just has to not fact-check it.

I'd be curious if anyone came up with a way to independent corroborate any part of this story.

Re: 11-Year-Old Boy Played in His Yard. CPS Took Him, Felony Charge for Parents

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post #38
post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

in Australia So, in Victoria at least, it was recently made illegal to leave your kids in the car for any length of time. Going inside to pay at the petrol station? Take your kids with you. Admittedly it's not going to end you up in the middle of the story in the article, and you're going to have to be pretty unlucky to find a cop who's enough of a dickhead to apply this law apropos of no other issues, but technicall…

Crazy. I'm up in the Northern Territory and it feels like anything goes here. (Almost).

NT doesn't have a proper state parliament, so you miss out on a lot of the fun. Fewer services, but fewer restrictions.

Re: 11-Year-Old Boy Played in His Yard. CPS Took Him, Felony Charge for Parents

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post #43

I looked up the relevant part of the legal code: 3)(a) "Neglect of a child" means: 1. A caregiver's failure or omission to provide a child with the care, supervision, and services necessary to maintain the child's physical and mental health, including, but not limited to, food, nutrition, clothing, shelter, supervision, medicine, and medical services that a prudent person would consider essential for the well-being o…

To prove the crime of Neglect of a Child, the State must prove the following three elements beyond a reasonable doubt:

1. (Defendant)

a. [willfully] [by culpable negligence] failed or omitted to provide (victim) with the care, supervision, and services necessary to maintain (victim’s) physical or mental health.

b. failed to make a reasonable effort to protect (victim) from abuse, neglect, or exploitation by another person.

2. (Defendant) was a caregiver for (victim).

3. (Victim) was under the age of 18 years.

Florida jury instructions.

Re: 11-Year-Old Boy Played in His Yard. CPS Took Him, Felony Charge for Parents

#49

I say this literally every time a story like this pops up but, as ever, I'll say it again: Have the (adults) in charge completely lost their minds? Is the government so out of touch with reality that this makes sense to them? I loved going on walks or riding my bike to the shops or sleeping in/playing at home when i was 10 or 11, and yet now this seems all but impossible to consider? How the hell did this happen?

Agreed, in the summers (in small town america), when i was that age i was kicked out of the house after breakfast and not allowed back (unless it was raining) until lunch, and then kicked out again until dinner. I loved running around outside with my friends, our dogs, horrendously constructed forts, and our bb guns. The "bad" parents were the ones that let their kids stay home and vegetate in front of the TV. What h…

They don't look at TV any more, instead, they play apps. That's what happened. Now it's all good /s

Re: 11-Year-Old Boy Played in His Yard. CPS Took Him, Felony Charge for Parents

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Foster parent here (from another state than in the article).

I'm going to go a bit off topic, but I want to comment on this snippet:

> [The kids had been eating] [o]nly cereal, for the past few days. That's not going to kill anyone, obviously. But if you're arresting parents for not supervising their kids for 90 minutes, it's more than a little hypocritical.

There's probably a good reason for that: the foster parents couldn't get the kids to eat anything else! Perhaps they were really nervous and uncomfortable? When I'm nervous, it's hard to eat other foods like vegetables and meats. Sometimes cereal is all I can stomach. I could only imagine how those poor, confused kids felt.

We were trained to feed the kids what they would eat. That means if they want a hot dog every night, you give them a freaking hot dog every night. Sometimes keeping the kid within whatever is left of their comfort zone is more important than good nutrition. As time goes on, you start mixing things up and start giving them better food. But out the gate, the most important thing is to help the kids feel comfortable.

People like the author of this article seem to love to paint foster parents in a bad light. They have this weird mentality I don't understand. They don't care about the facts, they're just looking for anything to make everyone from the state to look like incompetent scum. Look even at this quote:

> The kids are attending "play" therapy.

Maybe it's because the whole article is horribly negative and lacking any kind of reference (even all the names are made up to "protect the innocent" or whatever), but I feel like that is sarcasm. And the sarcasm in that sentence demonstrates how much the author doesn't know. "Play" therapy is a real thing, and it really helps the kids. It's not some crazy witchcraft the state thought up. The kids might've been "normal" before this all happened, but it's important to get kids in this situation (even the ones that weren't abused/neglected/etc, like the children in the article) to make sure they're getting the help that they need to cope with the CURRENT situation. We always try to get our foster kids in play therapy, even if they act completely "normal" and understanding of everything. The thing I don't want is to think the kid is okay and then find out they've been holding it all back.

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