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Re: AMD Launches Carrizo

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Post by SXX »

lewisl9029 wrote: post #23
ausjke wrote: post #17

These days when I read news like this, my first response is that, does AMD have any chance to survive at all? The technical details for any new chip is secondary. Dr.Su did not have a good tracking record and I never got it why she was picked as the CEO, but it's not all her fault though, AMD has been in decline for years, I just hope someone will buy it before it totally collapses. Additionally, Intel is battling wi…

I'd have thought that the XBox One and PS4 GPU deals would have given them quite a boost, but it seems like they're still struggling these days. Can anyone enlighten me on why those deals might not be helping as much as I thought they would?

> Can anyone enlighten me on why those deals might not be helping as much as I thought they would?

Good explanation may be found there: http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/150892-nvidia-gave-amd-ps4... "Two years ago, in January 2011, Nvidia CEO Jen-Hsun Huang told reporters that the Sony-Nvidia deal had earned Nvidia $500M in royalties since 2004. The total number of shipped PS3 consoles by March, 2011 stood at 50 million according to data from the NPD group."

Re: AMD Launches Carrizo

#42

Post by kayoone »

walterbell wrote: post #32
kayoone wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Broadwell was delayed but Skylake is well on track. While there are not many Broadwell Desktop CPUs worth buying right now (Core i7-5775C and i5-5675C offer superb perf/watt though, especially the iGPU) the new round of mobile CPUs is still impressive and will certainly sell well before skylake comes around.

Is Skylake on track for laptop OEMs to ship new devices in 2015? Lenovo released Broadwell laptops in Q1, it is hard to believe they will release Skylake before 2016.

For all we know it looks like it http://www.3dcenter.org/dateien/abbildungen/Intel-Prozessore...

Re: AMD Launches Carrizo

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Post by kayoone »

threeseed wrote: post #29
afsina wrote: post #19

Lack of VP9 support is bad for Youtube (and Google). I wonder if it would be too hard to support both codecs.

VP9 was always going to be dead in the water. There are just too many influential companies part of the MPEG-LA to compete with. With Netflix, Amazon and Apple moving to HVEC and the PS/XBox refresh rumored to have HVEC support there is simply too much content: legal and illegal to bother with adding VP9 support. Plus is anyone expecting a lot of YouTube 4K content ?

> Plus is anyone expecting a lot of YouTube 4K content ?

Every enthusiast cameral high end smartphone or the latest GoPro shoots 4K, more and more people have 4K displays and prices come down. So yeah, i think there will be a lot of 4K on youtube in the near future.

Re: AMD Launches Carrizo

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Post by [deleted] »

threeseed wrote: post #29
afsina wrote: post #19

Lack of VP9 support is bad for Youtube (and Google). I wonder if it would be too hard to support both codecs.

VP9 was always going to be dead in the water. There are just too many influential companies part of the MPEG-LA to compete with. With Netflix, Amazon and Apple moving to HVEC and the PS/XBox refresh rumored to have HVEC support there is simply too much content: legal and illegal to bother with adding VP9 support. Plus is anyone expecting a lot of YouTube 4K content ?

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Re: AMD Launches Carrizo

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Post by pbowyer »

kayoone wrote: post #30
pbowyer wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It seems like Intel will be pushing 10 before they get down to 20/22... Intel seem to be struggling though, with shrinking not working out as they planned. They've missed one upgrade-round with the delay to Broadwell, and if the rumours are correct and they're releasing a couple of CPUs and then jumping to Skylake - that's quite a hit to ROI given the investment they've put in to an 'unused' chip family IMO.

Broadwell was delayed but Skylake is well on track. While there are not many Broadwell Desktop CPUs worth buying right now (Core i7-5775C and i5-5675C offer superb perf/watt though, especially the iGPU) the new round of mobile CPUs is still impressive and will certainly sell well before skylake comes around.

Thanks, that's good to know. Guess I'm a bit sore as I held out for a 97 chipset motherboard for months (when I really needed a new PC) with the aim of using Haswell and then switching to Broadwell and future proofing. With the lack of Broadwell desktop CPUs I could've saved money and gone for 87 chipset, and planned a Skylake replacement...

Re: AMD Launches Carrizo

#47

Post by fnordsensei »

BinaryIdiot wrote: post #24
ausjke wrote: post #17

These days when I read news like this, my first response is that, does AMD have any chance to survive at all? The technical details for any new chip is secondary. Dr.Su did not have a good tracking record and I never got it why she was picked as the CEO, but it's not all her fault though, AMD has been in decline for years, I just hope someone will buy it before it totally collapses. Additionally, Intel is battling wi…

> These days when I read news like this, my first response is that, does AMD have any chance to survive at all? The technical details for any new chip is secondary. I know what you mean. When I started reading my first thought was "ugh, why don't you guys just give up" which is a terrible sentiment for me to have. Carrizo looks promising but I just can't see them gaining a whole lot of market share back from Intel. W…

I understand completely what you mean. CPUs and graphics cards are hard problems to solve. For a long time, I was very happy to use AMD, because I felt that I was helping to keep the desktop market at least at two players (which is also crazy close to a monopoly). I still use AMD graphics cards for this reason.

Re: AMD Launches Carrizo

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Post by lewisl9029 »

SXX wrote: post #41
lewisl9029 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd have thought that the XBox One and PS4 GPU deals would have given them quite a boost, but it seems like they're still struggling these days. Can anyone enlighten me on why those deals might not be helping as much as I thought they would?

> Can anyone enlighten me on why those deals might not be helping as much as I thought they would? Good explanation may be found there: http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/150892-nvidia-gave-amd-ps4... "Two years ago, in January 2011, Nvidia CEO Jen-Hsun Huang told reporters that the Sony-Nvidia deal had earned Nvidia $500M in royalties since 2004. The total number of shipped PS3 consoles by March, 2011 stood at 50 mil…

Thanks for the link.

I did think margins on any console GPU deal would probably be slim, but I didn't know it could be that slim. Seeing some hard numbers really helped.

Re: AMD Launches Carrizo

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Post by ac29 »

threeseed wrote: post #29
afsina wrote: post #19

Lack of VP9 support is bad for Youtube (and Google). I wonder if it would be too hard to support both codecs.

VP9 was always going to be dead in the water. There are just too many influential companies part of the MPEG-LA to compete with. With Netflix, Amazon and Apple moving to HVEC and the PS/XBox refresh rumored to have HVEC support there is simply too much content: legal and illegal to bother with adding VP9 support. Plus is anyone expecting a lot of YouTube 4K content ?

>VP9 was always going to be dead in the water.

What? Youtube has >70% of the online video market, and primarily uses VP9 [0]. To be fair, VP9 isnt commonly used outside of google, but to discount the market leader in online video as "dead" is disingenuous at best.

[0] http://www.statista.com/statistics/266201/us-market-share-of...

Re: AMD Launches Carrizo

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Post by ac29 »

ivank wrote: post #34
threeseed wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

VP9 was always going to be dead in the water. There are just too many influential companies part of the MPEG-LA to compete with. With Netflix, Amazon and Apple moving to HVEC and the PS/XBox refresh rumored to have HVEC support there is simply too much content: legal and illegal to bother with adding VP9 support. Plus is anyone expecting a lot of YouTube 4K content ?

YouTube is using VP9 for 720p and 1080p, too. The file sizes are significantly smaller.

VP9 isnt limited to 720p+ resolutions: https://i.imgur.com/rM8WVcm.png

(Right click a youtube video and select "Stats for nerds" to get this info)

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