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Is Pop Music Getting Less Intelligent?

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Re: Is Pop Music Getting Less Intelligent?

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Nice job! :-) I think that music (melodies, riffs, combination of sounds and notes, etc...) are getting very stupidier. I don't have tools nor skills to test this assumption, just my hears. Try to listen MTV for some month and you'll see that a lot of new songs are very similar to other ones. I mean, too much similar.

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Re: Is Pop Music Getting Less Intelligent?

#42
post #37

It seems like a topic that is really going to need a bit more research and analysis. I don't think a vocabulary test quite does it. Comparing something like Elvis Presley playing "Hound Dog" to Taylor Swift's "Blank Space" would make me think that modern pop is more intelligent.

> Comparing something like Elvis Presley playing "Hound Dog" to Taylor Swift's "Blank Space" would make me think that modern pop is more intelligent. And that would be the wrong answer because... ?

Oh, I would say Taylor Swift is the more intelligent writer and its right, but I'm not sure a simple vocabulary test and a large sample set is really the way to go. I do bet if you asked music critics, they would say Elvis's writer (not sure on that song or other) is more intelligent. Age polishes the fun history.

Re: Is Pop Music Getting Less Intelligent?

#43
post #10

There has been terrible pop music since pop music began. Try and make it all the way to the end of this song from the golden 60s - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhYLz63csS0

I'd argue that this is more of a subjective terrible-ness. Technically, this song more skillfully crafted than a lot of pop music today. Even on a basic level, no auto-tune = you actually need to be able to sing (to some degree).

Songs used to require more skillful performers. That skill and complexity has in large part been reallocated to engineers and producers who actually have to program and edit on a much more sophisticated level these days to do things like make the auto-tune actually sound good (whether or not you subjectively like the effect).

Re: Is Pop Music Getting Less Intelligent?

#44

I wouldn't think testing vocabulary would be a very good indicator of music's intelligence. In my mind, music has been getting less intelligent because the tools to make music these days have made the barrier to entry almost non-existent. No longer do you need to study and practice various musical/performance skills for years to be a musician and put out a record. All you need is a computer and some software. It's ha…

Punk in the 70s? Crappy synths in the 80s? Distorted grunge in the 90s? Crappy samplers in the 00s?

Been plenty of great acts who couldn't play instruments well for decades, so either yes, you are getting very old or you're remembering a lot of artists being a lot better than they actually were.

Re: Is Pop Music Getting Less Intelligent?

#45

Pop music from 1959 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGgaZZl_GVg Pop music is stupid because it's catchy. It's always been that way, always will be.

If you ever want to get some perspective, look at the songs which were actually popular, not the ones preserved in the playlists of oldies stations.

https://www.billboard.com/archive/charts/1958/hot-100

Re: Is Pop Music Getting Less Intelligent?

#47

I wouldn't think testing vocabulary would be a very good indicator of music's intelligence. In my mind, music has been getting less intelligent because the tools to make music these days have made the barrier to entry almost non-existent. No longer do you need to study and practice various musical/performance skills for years to be a musician and put out a record. All you need is a computer and some software. It's ha…

> Or, maybe we're just getting old?

Now get off my lawn!

Re: Is Pop Music Getting Less Intelligent?

#48
post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Comparing something like Elvis Presley playing "Hound Dog" to Taylor Swift's "Blank Space" would make me think that modern pop is more intelligent. And that would be the wrong answer because... ?

Oh, I would say Taylor Swift is the more intelligent writer and its right, but I'm not sure a simple vocabulary test and a large sample set is really the way to go. I do bet if you asked music critics, they would say Elvis's writer (not sure on that song or other) is more intelligent. Age polishes the fun history.

> Age polishes the fun history.

Whatever this means, it sounds like "The grass was always greener in the pastures of my memory" or some such, which is true but not relevant to, you know, actual history.

That, and it seems axiomatic among the PC crowd that Kids These Days are getting dumber and dumber, which has held true so long that it's amazing that our great-grandparents qualified as sentient beings, as opposed to, say, slime mold.

Re: Is Pop Music Getting Less Intelligent?

#50
I don't think unique-words/total-words can be used directly as a metric for intelligence of lyrics. In any body of text, I'd expect that ratio to go down as total-words increases. For some extreme example, if there is one total word, then the ratio is 1.0. If there are infinitely many words, then the ratio is 0.0. That doesn't really say anything about how intelligent they are. Without knowing anything specifically about it, I'd expect unique words to roughly scale logarithmically with total words for a constant "intelligence", whatever that means.
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