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Re: Join the Engineering Leisure Class

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The author obviously doesn't live in London. I could never afford to pay rent without a job. The article is idealistic bullshit.

So relocate to bumfuck, england and do your work there. I don't think the idea is to ditch your job and still pay $3000 a month for an apartment.

Re: Join the Engineering Leisure Class

#42

Engineers don't make that much money. Yes, I live a middle-class lifestyle. But even without owning a car, not having a child, etc. After saving for retirement and eating healthy food, I simply don't have that much savings to start any business that requires a decent amount of capital to get going - at least not without burning through everything fairly quickly. At most I could take a couple of months off and destroy…

>>But even without owning a car, not having a child, etc.

>>I don't get why the world thinks software engineers are so rich...

Last year I lived in Austin TX, owned a car, ate healthy, lived 15 minutes from the city center and made 29000 before taxes. Of which I managed to save 15000.

The world doesn't think software engineers are so rich, we think anyone above 50K is rich, because for a lot of us thats double what we make a year, and many of us are supporting families on that. The idea that some one making 75-100k could be living paycheck to paycheck is fucking baffling to the half the population making less than 42k per household.

Re: Join the Engineering Leisure Class

#43
post #8

I did this. I advise against this. I had money saved up, and for visa reasons had to spend a year outside the USA. Seemed like a perfect time to indulge in some risky ideas, especially those which were a little idealistic. It ended up being incredibly depressing and I got very little done. It's hard enough to build a product when you're in a startup or a smart team. In my opinion it's nearly impossible if you're goin…

Totally agree. I get my energy and focus from working with a (small) team of people, usually under time-pressure.

Working by myself, without any deadlines or goals, I become unmotivated and pretty depressed.

Re: Join the Engineering Leisure Class

#44
post #8

I did this. I advise against this. I had money saved up, and for visa reasons had to spend a year outside the USA. Seemed like a perfect time to indulge in some risky ideas, especially those which were a little idealistic. It ended up being incredibly depressing and I got very little done. It's hard enough to build a product when you're in a startup or a smart team. In my opinion it's nearly impossible if you're goin…

Totally agree. I get my energy and focus from working with a (small) team of people, usually under time-pressure.

Working by myself, without any deadlines or goals, I become unmotivated and pretty depressed.

Re: Join the Engineering Leisure Class

#45
I would much prefer working part-time in traditional money earning avenues, and spending my other 20-30 hours of energetic time on the projects/activities I personally want to work/play on. I just wish there were more opportunities for high value part-time work.

Re: Join the Engineering Leisure Class

#46

Engineers don't make that much money. Yes, I live a middle-class lifestyle. But even without owning a car, not having a child, etc. After saving for retirement and eating healthy food, I simply don't have that much savings to start any business that requires a decent amount of capital to get going - at least not without burning through everything fairly quickly. At most I could take a couple of months off and destroy…

> I don't get why the world thinks software engineers are so rich...

Everybody know how much a programmer makes in Silicon Valley, and think everyone in the industry is paid accordingly. Also, high cost of living in SF area is not that well known (or at least, not understood to be correlated) by the masses.

It's a bit like saying every football/basketball player is a millionaire. Those that play in the professional leagues, yes. The ones that end up coaching pee-whee teams, not so much.

Re: Join the Engineering Leisure Class

#47

Two words make this difficult. Health Insurance.

Not in most European countries where this is handled at the national level, instead of by each company. I.e. switching jobs (or having none) doesn't affect whether a hospital will treat you or not.

> switching jobs (or having none) doesn't affect whether a hospital will treat you or not

From an american perspective, that sounds like some sort of unattainable utopia.

Re: Join the Engineering Leisure Class

#49
post #8

I did this. I advise against this. I had money saved up, and for visa reasons had to spend a year outside the USA. Seemed like a perfect time to indulge in some risky ideas, especially those which were a little idealistic. It ended up being incredibly depressing and I got very little done. It's hard enough to build a product when you're in a startup or a smart team. In my opinion it's nearly impossible if you're goin…

I did this too, and I agree. IMO anything worth doing is non trivial. The project I took on had some really hard parts. Example: something akin to defining a relational schema for maintaining a model of c/c++ source code, before and after preprocessing (not exactly, but same idea minus the difficulty of parsing c++). This was one of about 5 'hard' problems. I got bogged down, and with no one to bounce ideas off, I became trapped in 'analysis paralysis'.

I gave up after 8 months and got a job. Now all I have to show for it is some source code, and a gap on my resume to explain.

Re: Join the Engineering Leisure Class

#50

> Luckily, there’s a corner of the Internet dedicated to breaking the link between “comfort” and money. The problem with this is that it moves in the wrong direction. You spent all this time learning how to earn more money for your time. Then what do you do after you earn a bunch of money? Figure out how to trade your time for money again, just in different arenas? Why, so you can avoid having to spend more time doin…

> It's possible for your skill-set to be so valuable that you can maintain ridiculous incomes on, as Tim Ferriss puts it, four hours a day.

Tim Ferriss' extremely valuable skillset is being a flim-flam man / borderline scam artist who markets questionable pesudoscience nonsense: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_Ferriss#BrainQUICKEN

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