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Re: Our company has a therapist

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How can you tell it was deleted by ycombinator and not by the user him-/herself?

I can confirm that neither Jerome or l deleted any post. Great to see a discussion about mental health on HN!

I deleted the post myself. The owner of the company threatened to make a fool out of me if I went public on it, I can't take the stress of it. I'd rather make something of myself and let karma do its' thing.

Re: Our company has a therapist

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>Life-coach. Counsellor. Therapist. Call it what you will.

This is not merely a matter of terminology. I don't know how it is in the UK, but here in the US "life coach" requires no sort of training or licensure. In most places in the US, to call yourself a "therapist" requires those kinds of credentials.

So, as usual, words are important.

Re: Our company has a therapist

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This sounds pretty dangerous - even if the executives of a company claim that it is confidential, why should the employees believe it? Therapists talk about their patients in a very general sense all the time, and even if they don't, an employer is going to want to have some idea of how the therapist's job is going. In a small company, it would be far too easy to put two and two together, and then react in a way that…

They can believe it because as I sat in bed thinking how much talking to someone in confidence has helped me, I thought that maybe others might be able to benefit from the same feeling. I have absolutely no interest in what is discussed in these sessions, just that they happen at all, if people are interested in doing so. I disagree about the point that trusting in a company-hired therapist makes one feel less comfor…

Having someone neutral to talk to is important - even just for the simple fact of verbalizing to process it.

Re: Our company has a therapist

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I think this is a great idea. While I think the execution could be improved (maybe a person wants to see an different therapist, or one outside the office), but attempting to remove the stigma surrounding mental health, and giving low friction access is huge. There is also the acknowledgement of the fact that most people aren't perfect, and nearly everyone could benefit from some sort of counseling. If everyone at your company is in perfect mental health you're either incredibly lucky, or kidding yourself.

I think Shanley Kane put it best[1]: "People are broken, and people work at companies."

[1] https://modelviewculture.com/news/the-eternal-and-toxic-opti...

Re: Our company has a therapist

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This sounds pretty dangerous - even if the executives of a company claim that it is confidential, why should the employees believe it? Therapists talk about their patients in a very general sense all the time, and even if they don't, an employer is going to want to have some idea of how the therapist's job is going. In a small company, it would be far too easy to put two and two together, and then react in a way that…

I'd like to think for the same reasons you don't sweep your backpack for bugs that your employer has planted on you, or check under your desk for secret spy cameras. Unless your employer has some sort of reputation, I don't see why the default should be to believe that they are morally bankrupt enough to run some kind of therapist sting operation.

Re: Our company has a therapist

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>Life-coach. Counsellor. Therapist. Call it what you will. This is not merely a matter of terminology. I don't know how it is in the UK, but here in the US "life coach" requires no sort of training or licensure. In most places in the US, to call yourself a "therapist" requires those kinds of credentials. So, as usual, words are important.

That's a good point. Here's a list of protected titles: http://www.hcpc-uk.co.uk/aboutregistration/protectedtitles/

http://www.bps.org.uk/what-we-do/bps/regulation-psychology/r...

Re: Our company has a therapist

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I had some troubles with an employee of mine in the past and think he would have benefitted from a shrink (I suspect he was heavily depressed), but as the boss, I found it complicated to do that for various reasons: 1) conflict of interest 2) free will of the patient to go there 3) we're bordering on medical territory and it's a minefield for a company. There is no happy ending, I left the company without having acte…

Sounds like a stereotypical startup opportunity, a problem exists, hard to solve, outsource the minefield to a TaaS (therapy as a service) provider to rake in some corporate contract money. I don't think its totally out of class as a startup idea, fundamentally you've got a matchmaking service (more or less) and a scheduling system and a billing system and maybe do it online in video conference or something. How to m…

> Sounds like a stereotypical startup opportunity, a problem exists, hard to solve, outsource the minefield to a TaaS (therapy as a service) provider to rake in some corporate contract money.

> It seems like an obvious idea, the past must be full of failures in this field?

There are very many providers of this kind of therapy. Relevant search terms are combinations of "occupational health" and "talking therapy" (but "occupational therapy" is something different).

Here's one of the first hits in Google: http://www.prohms.com/mental_health_wellbeing

(Their site feels a bit American to me; the US road sign, the rod of Asclepius; but they're in the UK).

Here's another one providing services to different large orgs: http://www.atriumclinic.co.uk/about-us/what-we-do

This easy to understand document a out talking therapies in England has a single mention of therapy provided at work but does have lots more information about how to chose a therapist and how to access them etc. http://www.mentalhealth.org.uk/content/assets/PDF/publicatio...

Here's a personal story of terrible waits and delays one person had in late 2013. This treatment is clearly unacceptable. http://www.mind.org.uk/information-support/your-stories/figh... I wish I could say things are better. For most people things are better. IAPT did improve things; GPs have more awareness; there's more capacity. So for short form first line talking therapies like CBT things are better (but there are still some very bad services around). Things are different for longer form heavy duty talking therapies. These traditionally have very long wait times - years in some cases. People should have to wait a maximum of 18 weeks for this long form therapy.

Re: Our company has a therapist

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I am not the type of person that would ever go out of my way to book a therapist. I won't even go to a doctor unless it is life-threatening. Such things require a lot of planning and fuss and I have better things to do. (Yes yes I know that is unreasonable/unhealthy thinking, but I am who I am).

That said, if I was having a stressful week, and a neutral party was just down the hall I knew was paid to be there for me to vent at and get advice from with no strings attached... That is something I could see myself taking a break to walk over and take advantage of.

I mean, companies provide all kinds of junk food snacks for employees to take advantage of a few feet away, why not healthy things too? There is a significantly better chance of me visiting a company provided health professional of any kind, than bothering to take time off work/life seek one out myself. I am sure I am not alone in this thinking.

I hope more companies follow the example of Ribot on this and the stigma starts to go away. Good going guys.

Re: Our company has a therapist

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This sounds pretty dangerous - even if the executives of a company claim that it is confidential, why should the employees believe it? Therapists talk about their patients in a very general sense all the time, and even if they don't, an employer is going to want to have some idea of how the therapist's job is going. In a small company, it would be far too easy to put two and two together, and then react in a way that…

The company is in the UK so there are laws governing use of information. Hopefully the company chose a BACP registered therapist and so that therapist will be covered by their registration rules too.

As if laws are never broken.

Downvoting me doesn't mean UK laws are always obeyed.

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