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Microsoft’s New Browser Will Be Called Microsoft Edge

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Re: Microsoft’s New Browser Will Be Called Microsoft Edge

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Post by craigvn »

bobajeff wrote: post #17

This looks like a excellent browser. It has a sleak interface and from all the news I hear it may support some very powerful web technologies and will finally be rapid release. Still, it's a shame that it's still very much close source and Windows only. "...rather than just open-sourcing EdgeHTML and letting anyone contribute, they’re approving individual “major web entities” in a piecemeal fashion. Microsoft is twis…

I am guessing that by open sourcing the browser they may need to open source parts of Windows which they are not in a position to do yet, so they have to take a cautious approach.

Re: Microsoft’s New Browser Will Be Called Microsoft Edge

#43

Post by TazeTSchnitzel »

craigvn wrote: post #41
bobajeff wrote: post #17

This looks like a excellent browser. It has a sleak interface and from all the news I hear it may support some very powerful web technologies and will finally be rapid release. Still, it's a shame that it's still very much close source and Windows only. "...rather than just open-sourcing EdgeHTML and letting anyone contribute, they’re approving individual “major web entities” in a piecemeal fashion. Microsoft is twis…

I am guessing that by open sourcing the browser they may need to open source parts of Windows which they are not in a position to do yet, so they have to take a cautious approach.

Yes, bear in mind that MSHTML (and presumbly EdgeHTML) are tightly integrated with core Windows.

Re: Microsoft’s New Browser Will Be Called Microsoft Edge

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Post by wlesieutre »

davidgerard wrote: post #25
wlesieutre wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's replacing Trident for everyone except companies that use internal software designed for IE6, and you can pretty well ignore those users. Same number of engines to support as before.

That's really not how browser support works ... if your customers are paying money, you don't trust a damn thing and you verify stuff on all browsers with any appreciable market share. jastanton is entirely correct.

Sure, but IE's rendering engine is probably not going to change appreciably from here on forward, it's just a legacy support thing.

If they'd called this IE 12, you'd be supporting IE 8-11 and IE 12. Instead, you're supporting IE 8-11 and Edge. Big difference?

Less of a big deal than the Webkit/Blink split, if you ask me.

Re: Microsoft’s New Browser Will Be Called Microsoft Edge

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Post by lern_too_spel »

EdSharkey wrote: post #39
Vraxx wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just as a note in response to the suggestion the browser not have a name to make it harder to hate, most of the android default browsers for different phones have no distinguishable names yet you can still refer to them as the default browser if you wish to degrade them. People will have a name to call it if they wish to refer to it.

That Android Webkit thing is an odd internal politics story, though. The Android team was separate from the rest of Google, and the Chrome team always wanted to slip in and replace the Android Webkit browser. But the Android team wouldn't have it because Chrome was too heavyweight for many years and would have led to a subpar experience. Android Webkit made a lot of sense up until a year or two ago because it was so…

AOSP hasn't had its own web browser for a very long time now. It uses Chromium.

Re: Microsoft’s New Browser Will Be Called Microsoft Edge

#46

Post by ericclemmons »

wanderingstan wrote: post #27
pcj wrote: post #2

Looks like it supports both Chrome and FireFox extensions - http://www.theverge.com/2015/4/29/8515771/microsofts-edge-br...

If they can make this work seamlessly, its a great way to steal users from both the Chrome and Firefox camps. Single-browser extensions are in effect "bricks" for building a walled garden around a browser. So I'm happy if MS is able to break down those walls and take us more toward an open browser standard, as yefim commented.

I have to stop and comment how I've never heard anyone make this analogy, or put it so well!

Re: Microsoft’s New Browser Will Be Called Microsoft Edge

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Post by bobajeff »

craigvn wrote: post #41
bobajeff wrote: post #17

This looks like a excellent browser. It has a sleak interface and from all the news I hear it may support some very powerful web technologies and will finally be rapid release. Still, it's a shame that it's still very much close source and Windows only. "...rather than just open-sourcing EdgeHTML and letting anyone contribute, they’re approving individual “major web entities” in a piecemeal fashion. Microsoft is twis…

I am guessing that by open sourcing the browser they may need to open source parts of Windows which they are not in a position to do yet, so they have to take a cautious approach.

There is no reason they would have to open source any other parts of windows just because EdgeHTML depends on them. Thats what libraries are for.

I think they are simply against the idea of open sourcing it. At least that's what it looks like.

Re: Microsoft’s New Browser Will Be Called Microsoft Edge

#48

Post by davidgerard »

wlesieutre wrote: post #44
davidgerard wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's really not how browser support works ... if your customers are paying money, you don't trust a damn thing and you verify stuff on all browsers with any appreciable market share. jastanton is entirely correct.

Sure, but IE's rendering engine is probably not going to change appreciably from here on forward, it's just a legacy support thing. If they'd called this IE 12, you'd be supporting IE 8-11 and IE 12. Instead, you're supporting IE 8-11 and Edge. Big difference? Less of a big deal than the Webkit/Blink split, if you ask me.

In my real-life experience, you're simply incorrect here. If all those variants of IE are in use by paying customers (which is our situation), then you do have to account for the fact that they have sufficient individual quirks as to require individual testing.

If you don't have paying customers, or you can actually tell them what to browse with, you might plausibly not care. Ours tend to have locked-down desktops and very little personal choice in browser.

Re: Microsoft’s New Browser Will Be Called Microsoft Edge

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Post by yaeger »

genericone wrote: post #40
nhayden wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're really selling the ability to draw on pages. Who needs that?

From the looks of it, users who subscribe to the lifestyle of Tablets/Mobile + Sharing Economy.

So, once again, focus on mobile, ignore the desktop. Cause that worked so well in the recent past for MS, didn't it? Guess some people just won't take a hint.

Re: Microsoft’s New Browser Will Be Called Microsoft Edge

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Post by wlesieutre »

davidgerard wrote: post #48
wlesieutre wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, but IE's rendering engine is probably not going to change appreciably from here on forward, it's just a legacy support thing. If they'd called this IE 12, you'd be supporting IE 8-11 and IE 12. Instead, you're supporting IE 8-11 and Edge. Big difference? Less of a big deal than the Webkit/Blink split, if you ask me.

In my real-life experience, you're simply incorrect here. If all those variants of IE are in use by paying customers (which is our situation), then you do have to account for the fact that they have sufficient individual quirks as to require individual testing. If you don't have paying customers, or you can actually tell them what to browse with, you might plausibly not care. Ours tend to have locked-down desktops an…

Yes, you have to test in multiple versions of browsers. My point here is that they are adding one new browser.

If they were making a new IE 12 instead of making Edge, you'd be in exactly the same boat of having to test one new browser from Microsoft.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I'll be surprised if the version of IE that they ship for enterprise users is practically different from the current version in Windows 8.

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