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French National Assembly approved Internet traffic monitoring system (French)

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La Quadrature du Net has also affirmed that while they were demonstrating in front of the National Assembly, there were two IMSI Catchers. And the law wasn't even passed yet. Great example of what will happen. ( http://www.franceinfo.fr/actu/politique/article/des-appareil... link in french, can provide a translation if needed) Bernard Cazeneuve, our ministre de l'Intérieur (Tasked with internal security, i.e. police…

Not Pidgin! Jitsi.

Or Gajim.

Re: French National Assembly approved Internet traffic monitoring system (French)

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Most of what the law is allowing, was already done before. It's more about legalizing some illicit methods, even if methods are debatable...

Widely adopted behaviours can't be legalized simply because of their widespread. Do that with murder…

Sure they can. For most of history murder was broadly legal (that's the beauty of really small government). ;)

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Suggested improvement to the French political system: if < 50% of the delegates are present there is no quorum and no laws can be passed.

government has a majority in the French assembly. The result would have been the same with more deputies: law would have passed. Each deputy seems specialized in a few fields and does not attend discussions to have time to work on other things (mayor, meetings,...) So, not sure if quorum > 50% would be useful.

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How the fuck does 25/577 make quorum? Do they not have this concept?

There always was an issue of people being absent at the Assembly, so that concept was hard to enforce. It is usually not that bad, though. I think the low number is due to allegiance to a party. Socialists felt like they had to vote in agreement to their party leaders to advance their careers, but to avoid backslash from the press and the public, many didn't show up. Their opposition, the right wing, always was big o…

That's unacceptable. In most other countries if a certain number of members is not reached, then you can't vote on the law. What kind of democracy is that where only 5% of the representatives vote on a certain law?

Does France have a Constitutional Court at least?

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French National Assembly has 577 delegates. According to Le Monde article, 25 voted for and 5 against. The rest, I suppose, didn't care to show up. This is beyond WTF. I am a client at OVH and Gandi and I hope they send a big FU to the French government and relocate. I am willing to pay a premium for that.

The rest, I suppose, didn't care to show up.

I'm assuming it's largely strategic. "Everybody" wanted to pass the bill, but no one wanted it on their voting record since they knew it was controversial. So everybody got together and selected a small number of martyrs to go sully themselves while everybody else could keep their hands clean.

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Most of what the law is allowing, was already done before. It's more about legalizing some illicit methods, even if methods are debatable...

The problem is when the government quickly passes such a law with no debate. Worse than that, when only 5% of the representatives pass such a law...

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There always was an issue of people being absent at the Assembly, so that concept was hard to enforce. It is usually not that bad, though. I think the low number is due to allegiance to a party. Socialists felt like they had to vote in agreement to their party leaders to advance their careers, but to avoid backslash from the press and the public, many didn't show up. Their opposition, the right wing, always was big o…

That's unacceptable. In most other countries if a certain number of members is not reached, then you can't vote on the law. What kind of democracy is that where only 5% of the representatives vote on a certain law? Does France have a Constitutional Court at least?

> What kind of democracy is that where only 5% of the representatives vote on a certain law

I'm not familar with France, but whenever that happens in Germany, they ensure that the correct proportions (regardingthe parties/fractions) are maintained.

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