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Re: Expired SSL certificate

#41
post #39

Our website monitoring service https://t1mr.com will warn you before your certificate expires (in addition to warning you when your site is down, and giving you reports of inbound and outbound dead links).

As does nagios' http check with the -c option. Basic monitoring helps solve so many problems.

Re: Expired SSL certificate

#42

Why is this on the frontpage?

Because it's kind of completely ridiculous; both the problem and the proposed solution.

...and the fact that it kind of suggests that you might not want to trust a Linux distro to get security right on your boxes if they are unable to fix their SSL certs after 3 days.

Re: Expired SSL certificate

#45
Rant mode:

If I understand right, getting a replacement cert doesn't result in a change of the private key anyways.

It's just magically, on the expiration date, your cert is somehow insecure and we must treat it as if YOU ARE IN DANGER!! - even though it's still better than then plain HTTP that everyone uses every single goddamned day. Hell, a self signed cert is better than plain HTTP, yet for some backwards-ass reason we treat it as worse, despite the fact it makes you immune from passive eavesdropping and any injection attacks, which the average person is a lot more likely to run into than a self-signed cert being used by an attacker to MITM you.

CA's are a scam and a racket. I can't wait for Mozilla's Let's Encrypt[1] to come along and put them all out of business, hopefully before the last decade or so of training users to ignore the wolf-crying cert warnings comes to fruition.

Yeah, this is irresponsible on Manjaro's part, they know the rules of the game, but the game is broken!

[1] http://letsencrypt.org

Re: Expired SSL certificate

#46

Rant mode: If I understand right, getting a replacement cert doesn't result in a change of the private key anyways. It's just magically, on the expiration date, your cert is somehow insecure and we must treat it as if YOU ARE IN DANGER!! - even though it's still better than then plain HTTP that everyone uses every single goddamned day. Hell, a self signed cert is better than plain HTTP, yet for some backwards-ass rea…

Self-signed can be worse because by the same token it can be MITM'd by another self-signed cert. It would create the false illusion of security, which could lead people to provide information they otherwise would not have.

Re: Expired SSL certificate

#47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because it's kind of completely ridiculous; both the problem and the proposed solution.

...and the fact that it kind of suggests that you might not want to trust a Linux distro to get security right on your boxes if they are unable to fix their SSL certs after 3 days.

Manjaro had a rather… iffy relationship with developing a security mindset in the past: http://allanmcrae.com/2013/10/comparison-of-security-issue-h...

It appears they're not learning.

Re: Expired SSL certificate

#48
post #7

I wonder if browsers should for (say) a week after a cert has expired, show an error so alarms are raised, but allow the dialog to be dismissed with an OK instead of all the "Confirm Security Exception" that would go on for a more serious cert rejection.

In chrome, if I click "advanced", it tells me that it's expired, and how long ago.

Re: Expired SSL certificate

#49
post #7

I wonder if browsers should for (say) a week after a cert has expired, show an error so alarms are raised, but allow the dialog to be dismissed with an OK instead of all the "Confirm Security Exception" that would go on for a more serious cert rejection.

I don't agree. If this happens, same rule should apply for domain name expiration.

You just made me wonder what happens if you have a cert but let the name expire. Can you MITM your old domain until the cert expires?

Re: Expired SSL certificate

#50
post #46

Rant mode: If I understand right, getting a replacement cert doesn't result in a change of the private key anyways. It's just magically, on the expiration date, your cert is somehow insecure and we must treat it as if YOU ARE IN DANGER!! - even though it's still better than then plain HTTP that everyone uses every single goddamned day. Hell, a self signed cert is better than plain HTTP, yet for some backwards-ass rea…

Self-signed can be worse because by the same token it can be MITM'd by another self-signed cert. It would create the false illusion of security, which could lead people to provide information they otherwise would not have.

With all due respect, how is that worse than HTTP? Plain HTTP can be MITMed just as well, only that on HTTP - except that no one would do that because for HTTP, plain old packet sniffing is enough to eavesdrop on a connection. Which doesn't work for self-signed HTTPS connections. And there are in fact a lot of common scenarios where it is easy for an attacker to sniff packets but harder to establish an MITM.
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