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Feds Demand Reddit Identify Users of a Dark-Web Drug Forum

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Re: Feds Demand Reddit Identify Users of a Dark-Web Drug Forum

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post #24

Warning: this opinion probably won't fit into the HN zeitgeist. If you commit a crime online don't be surprised when they seek to gain evidence against you. This isn't a liberty issue. This is a you're probably a criminal issue and law enforcement is coming after you. I don't protect drug dealers in my neighborhood because of their right to free speech and personal liberty so why would I protect these guys? It just a…

The reason I know you're lying is that anybody that I have met that has done any time says they wouldn't wish it on their worse enemy.

So your anecdote has become irrefutable evidence?

Some people enjoy prison. I imagine they're not common.

Re: Feds Demand Reddit Identify Users of a Dark-Web Drug Forum

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post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reason I know you're lying is that anybody that I have met that has done any time says they wouldn't wish it on their worse enemy.

I had a whole response here but I took it out. I'll put it this way - you don't know what you're talking about and my name is right there in my nick. Do some investigation then return and tell me I'm lying.

OK tough guy. Maybe you just have a lot less empathy than the average criminal.

Re: Feds Demand Reddit Identify Users of a Dark-Web Drug Forum

#44

We (speaking as a netizen) need Usenet 2.0; eg: something that can fulfill the role of reddit that is decentralized/distributed. Perhaps reddit can even transition into being a reader (a la google reader) for people that don't want to set up their own node. I'm not saying that drug discussion is the quintessential act that deserves to be protected, but I am worried that the government has such an easy avenue to get t…

Well, Usenet 1.0 was decentralised, and people need to think about the disadvantages. In the early 2000s well over 50% of the traffic was spam cancels. An forum without an "owner" who can delete posts and effectively ban spammers and "abuse" will promptly be filled with spam and abuse.

The issue of "abuse" which is harmful to people other than users of the forum should also be considered carefully.

Re: Feds Demand Reddit Identify Users of a Dark-Web Drug Forum

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Warning: this opinion probably won't fit into the HN zeitgeist. If you commit a crime online don't be surprised when they seek to gain evidence against you. This isn't a liberty issue. This is a you're probably a criminal issue and law enforcement is coming after you. I don't protect drug dealers in my neighborhood because of their right to free speech and personal liberty so why would I protect these guys? It just a…

>they are criminals They likely disagree that their "crimes" ought to be illegal, and do not accept the legitimacy of any punishment for such behavior. Why should they have to "make a choice" and make "better decisions" when they don't believe what they've done is wrong?

They likely disagree that their "crimes" ought to be illegal, and do not accept the legitimacy of any punishment for such behavior.

They should probably still accept the reality of the punishment, at least until the law is modified. Disobeying a law for moral reasons is only the first half of civil disobedience.

Re: Feds Demand Reddit Identify Users of a Dark-Web Drug Forum

#46

We (speaking as a netizen) need Usenet 2.0; eg: something that can fulfill the role of reddit that is decentralized/distributed. Perhaps reddit can even transition into being a reader (a la google reader) for people that don't want to set up their own node. I'm not saying that drug discussion is the quintessential act that deserves to be protected, but I am worried that the government has such an easy avenue to get t…

Take a look at ipfs: http://ipfs.io/

This is pretty close to being what you describe, in that it will function as a transport layer - now all that is needed is a standardized protocol for how to put information onto it that can be easily found.

Re: Feds Demand Reddit Identify Users of a Dark-Web Drug Forum

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post #11

One would assume that the users of deep web-related subreddits would take just as many precautions to protect their privacy when using Reddit as they do when on the deep web. Just because you don't actually conduct illegal activity via Reddit doesn't mean that it's impossible for someone to connect the dots to your deep web forum account(s) with enough effort. If people turned out to truly be that foolish then I will…

>One would assume One would be quite foolish to assume strong OpSec from drug seekers and their enablers. We've seen case after case resulting from these busts with absolutely trivial investigations necessary to locate the defendants.

Touché. I'd hope that people in that "industry" would learn from the failure(s) of their peers, but that certainly doesn't appear to be the case.

Re: Feds Demand Reddit Identify Users of a Dark-Web Drug Forum

#48

Warning: this opinion probably won't fit into the HN zeitgeist. If you commit a crime online don't be surprised when they seek to gain evidence against you. This isn't a liberty issue. This is a you're probably a criminal issue and law enforcement is coming after you. I don't protect drug dealers in my neighborhood because of their right to free speech and personal liberty so why would I protect these guys? It just a…

> It just always makes me chuckle when criminals won't face the fact that they are criminals. "I know, right? Why don't all those damn sodomites just take their chemical castration and shut up and accept the fact they're criminals?"

My favorite legal defense, moral relativism.

"One day, this heinous crime I have committed might not be illegal. Knowing that, how can you possibly convict me!?"

Re: Feds Demand Reddit Identify Users of a Dark-Web Drug Forum

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Warning: this opinion probably won't fit into the HN zeitgeist. If you commit a crime online don't be surprised when they seek to gain evidence against you. This isn't a liberty issue. This is a you're probably a criminal issue and law enforcement is coming after you. I don't protect drug dealers in my neighborhood because of their right to free speech and personal liberty so why would I protect these guys? It just a…

> It just always makes me chuckle when criminals won't face the fact that they are criminals. "I know, right? Why don't all those damn sodomites just take their chemical castration and shut up and accept the fact they're criminals?"

... and sexually deviant ones at that! The worst kind of criminals!

Re: Feds Demand Reddit Identify Users of a Dark-Web Drug Forum

#50
post #10

We (speaking as a netizen) need Usenet 2.0; eg: something that can fulfill the role of reddit that is decentralized/distributed. Perhaps reddit can even transition into being a reader (a la google reader) for people that don't want to set up their own node. I'm not saying that drug discussion is the quintessential act that deserves to be protected, but I am worried that the government has such an easy avenue to get t…

i agree. recently i desired to create an online community for a small game that probably wouldn't have many users or posts. subreddits are fantastic for that type of thing, and i like the ease of use and PRAW, however, handing over all of the community's data to conde nast isn't something i'm interested in. what i'd like is a tool with which to create online communities, which would consist of a message board with up…

Reddit is no longer owned by Conde Nast. It was moved to the same parent company that owns Conde Nast and then spun off.

http://www.redditblog.com/2013/08/reddit-myth-busters_6.html

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