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Re: Ten Years of Kubuntu

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Post by michaelmrose »

zanny wrote: post #19

Kubuntu is in a great place today. Five years ago KDE developers were pretty fragmented between Mandrivia, Suse, Fedora, and Kubuntu. Today, thanks to Blue Systems adopting Kubuntu and the general decline of most other KDE spins (Suse lost its commercial support, Mandrivia died and got forked a bunch, Fedora continues to be Gnome-first in a good way) my impressions from the ML and general developer mindshare is that…

When I tried it Netrunner was an abortion. Its first stable release crashed more, both individual components and the whole damn thing, than Windows ME.

Even the name is stupid and sounds like a 10 year old thought of it.

Re: Ten Years of Kubuntu

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Post by amyjess »

stolio wrote: post #36
ElectricFeel wrote: post #32

Great essay on Kubuntu, Tslolkovsky! It is an impressive overview of your accomplishments, in context, and that's perfect. I've personally tried a few distros of Linux, originally developed by Linus Torvalds. My personal favorite is the one I use the most. Standard Ubuntu just does it for me. KDE is ok but Gentoo is just too lo-fi for me - I'm not interested in a product that is like living in a halfway house instead…

> I've personally tried a few distros of Linux, originally developed by Linus Torvalds. Is there some Intro To Linux we can point just people to in order to avoid things like this? The "GNU slash Linux" conversation is wearing pretty thin but it should be common knowledge at this point that the GNU project did 10 ten years of work so Linus could add the kernel and have it be the first completed system. Should we poin…

And GNU zealots persistently deny that Linux became successful because of XFree86 and Apache, neither of which GNU had anything to do with.

Re: Ten Years of Kubuntu

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Post by stolio »

amyjess wrote: post #42
stolio wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I've personally tried a few distros of Linux, originally developed by Linus Torvalds. Is there some Intro To Linux we can point just people to in order to avoid things like this? The "GNU slash Linux" conversation is wearing pretty thin but it should be common knowledge at this point that the GNU project did 10 ten years of work so Linus could add the kernel and have it be the first completed system. Should we poin…

And GNU zealots persistently deny that Linux became successful because of XFree86 and Apache, neither of which GNU had anything to do with.

Grow up. There's a world of difference between being a zealot and pointing out that Torvalds didn't clone the Unix system in a year. He built the kernel, he did it well and he deserves credit for it. For the same reasons he deserves credit the GNU project deserves credit for their contributions.

edit: Really. This is a thread celebrating 10 years of Kubuntu. Kubuntu's downstream from Debian, probably 1/2 - 3/4 of their packages are untouched from their state in the Debian repositories. Debian was sponsored by the FSF (Richard Stallman's foundation) back in the early 90's. Good for Kubuntu, I wish them the best. I also think it's important to recognize the others who have made projects like this possible. It takes nothing away from Kubuntu.

Re: Ten Years of Kubuntu

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Post by joshuapants »

Consultant32452 wrote: post #24
joshuapants wrote: post #7

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I never quite warmed up to KDE. I think the problem was that it was a "Windows-like" interface but it never felt quite the same as Windows. I found it easier to adapt to GNOME, precisely because it was different than what I was used to. I did try the beta of Kubuntu with Plasma 5, however, and it seemed nice. I'll have to try it again sometime.

I've heard comments like yours before but this time it made me consider the other side of it. I wonder if your reaction is due to being a power user. If you've been a Windows power user for a while you're probably accustomed to doing things like setting PATH or other environment variables, installing/uninstalling things, starting and stopping services. If you have something that's a little "too much" like Windows but…

Anecdotally, I was able to set my mother up with an old Thinkpad running Lubuntu and she took right to it. She is pretty much the definition of computer illiterate, so I think you have something there.

Re: Ten Years of Kubuntu

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Post by m_mueller »

guelo wrote: post #38
m_mueller wrote: post #9

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Apple's reputation when it comes to customisation is not entirely deserved. What's true for iOS, isn't really for OSX. I'd say the gradient goes something like KDE > Windows > OSX > Gnome > Unity. When you go through OSX's system preferences there's quite a lot of options, plus there's tons of hidden ones accessible through the terminal and the very effective defaults system inherited from NeXT.

Great. Could you let me know how to change the color of title bars so that it's not a light grey active window on top of light grey inactive windows?

http://imgur.com/iaaBe0n ;-)

Re: Ten Years of Kubuntu

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Post by m_mueller »

sandGorgon wrote: post #31
m_mueller wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple's reputation when it comes to customisation is not entirely deserved. What's true for iOS, isn't really for OSX. I'd say the gradient goes something like KDE > Windows > OSX > Gnome > Unity. When you go through OSX's system preferences there's quite a lot of options, plus there's tons of hidden ones accessible through the terminal and the very effective defaults system inherited from NeXT.

This is NOT true - IMHO you havent seen https://extensions.gnome.org/ . It allows you to customize everything right upto the alt-tab behavior [1] and access to D-BUS for core OS behavior [2] If you really want to see where Gnome is going, please do check out Fedora 22. That really is the showcase for cutting edge Gnome (unfortunately, its not Ubuntu/Debian) [1] https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/15/alternatetab/…

IMO downloading extensions to change your OS is not too different from downloading additional software to do the same [1][2].

[1] http://bahoom.com/hyperswitch

[2] http://superuser.com/questions/548146/change-command-tab-to-...

Re: Ten Years of Kubuntu

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Post by colinmahns »

zanny wrote: post #19

Kubuntu is in a great place today. Five years ago KDE developers were pretty fragmented between Mandrivia, Suse, Fedora, and Kubuntu. Today, thanks to Blue Systems adopting Kubuntu and the general decline of most other KDE spins (Suse lost its commercial support, Mandrivia died and got forked a bunch, Fedora continues to be Gnome-first in a good way) my impressions from the ML and general developer mindshare is that…

OpenSUSE is still shipping KDE by default, and it's pretty usable in recent versions.

That said, Kubuntu is still very nice. I'm glad you are using it to show off free software to new people!

Re: Ten Years of Kubuntu

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Post by aruggirello »

stolio wrote: post #36
ElectricFeel wrote: post #32

Great essay on Kubuntu, Tslolkovsky! It is an impressive overview of your accomplishments, in context, and that's perfect. I've personally tried a few distros of Linux, originally developed by Linus Torvalds. My personal favorite is the one I use the most. Standard Ubuntu just does it for me. KDE is ok but Gentoo is just too lo-fi for me - I'm not interested in a product that is like living in a halfway house instead…

> I've personally tried a few distros of Linux, originally developed by Linus Torvalds. Is there some Intro To Linux we can point just people to in order to avoid things like this? The "GNU slash Linux" conversation is wearing pretty thin but it should be common knowledge at this point that the GNU project did 10 ten years of work so Linus could add the kernel and have it be the first completed system. Should we poin…

IMHO your comment was informative and did not deserve downvotes.

ElectricFeel's comment may well signal a shift in Linux desktop adoption, in that the less-technical public enters the game. IMHO this is an Ubuntu success story. He's an Ubuntu user that probably does not even know what Debian is, and though this isn't good in itself, it might be good for GNU/Linux adoption. We all called for the "year of the Linux desktop" but due to various reasons, there aren't enough users, so it didn't materialise yet. But there is hope. And KDE is going the right way. I love it. IMHO Kubuntu 15.04 will rock!

Re: Ten Years of Kubuntu

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Post by notfoss »

zanny wrote: post #19

Kubuntu is in a great place today. Five years ago KDE developers were pretty fragmented between Mandrivia, Suse, Fedora, and Kubuntu. Today, thanks to Blue Systems adopting Kubuntu and the general decline of most other KDE spins (Suse lost its commercial support, Mandrivia died and got forked a bunch, Fedora continues to be Gnome-first in a good way) my impressions from the ML and general developer mindshare is that…

I think you are forgetting Linux Mint KDE. It is updated regularly and is fantastic to work on.

Re: Ten Years of Kubuntu

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Post by sandGorgon »

m_mueller wrote: post #46
sandGorgon wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is NOT true - IMHO you havent seen https://extensions.gnome.org/ . It allows you to customize everything right upto the alt-tab behavior [1] and access to D-BUS for core OS behavior [2] If you really want to see where Gnome is going, please do check out Fedora 22. That really is the showcase for cutting edge Gnome (unfortunately, its not Ubuntu/Debian) [1] https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/15/alternatetab/…

IMO downloading extensions to change your OS is not too different from downloading additional software to do the same [1][2]. [1] http://bahoom.com/hyperswitch [2] http://superuser.com/questions/548146/change-command-tab-to-...

no - Gnome extensions are installed in 5 seconds from a browser. It is very different than the experience of traditional installing.

It is one of those It-Just-Works experiences.

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