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Too Much Calculus – Gilbert Strang (2001) [pdf]

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(Speaking from my experience as a calc teacher at a big U.S. state U.; mileage may vary elsewhere) Most non-STEM students won't see the 'Calculus I, Calculus II, Calculus III' that starts the essay so dramatically. Increasingly, liberal arts students are able to get by with no more than a "math appreciation" course and maybe what amounts to high school algebra. The "math appreciation" course might actually touch on v…

I've had 4 semesters of Calculus in my CS program. For me, it only helped to scare many students and made them pursue another degree. We only had more CS classes than others junior year. Fortunately, I'd been involved in open source and knew that wasn't the reality.

Re: Too Much Calculus – Gilbert Strang (2001) [pdf]

#42
post #6

Perhaps amusingly, the Computer Science education at the University of Copenhagen includes no mandatory Calculus course, but it does include a Linear Algebra course. Even so, students have a hard time seeing what they'll use Linear Algebra for, before later on in their education.

I think this observation highlights the problem with Linear Algebra, the applications aren't encountered until upper level courses in other fields, and then they teach what you need to know for the course. I took two semesters of Linear Algebra in college, the first course was an overview for physicists and engineers and was little more than the mechanics of matrix operations, and find eigen vectors and eigen values.…

I took a 3d graphics programming course where we built our own raytracer for our final project. We learned the math for a few different intersections in order to make the raytracer. So if they offered it, that would have been the course to take.

Re: Too Much Calculus – Gilbert Strang (2001) [pdf]

#43
post #7

As a programmer, I've found far more uses for linear algebra than for calculus. It shows up in robotics, in machine learning, in game development, and in many other cool subfields. I didn't get very much out of my university linear algebra course. (It was pure theory with nearly zero applications.) I don't think I really developed a good intuition for linear algebra—and why it's so useful—until I read Jim Hefferon's…

until I read Jim Hefferon's free textbook

I still prefer reading textbooks in paper, and one interesting note: it looks like a couple of companies and individuals are offering paper copies on Amazon, but none of them appear to be Henderson himself.

And the companies or individual offering paper copies still charge $20 – $30!

Re: Too Much Calculus – Gilbert Strang (2001) [pdf]

#45
post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This I understand, but that sentence with "cliché" in it I still don't get.

It's pretty clear to me that the OP just used the word cliche where it didn't belong. Fortunately the idea still came across. Perhaps you were truly confused, but it sounds more like you're playing dumb to force the OP to admit the mistake.

cliché.

Re: Too Much Calculus – Gilbert Strang (2001) [pdf]

#46
I think Strang has some good points, and his advice is true for the majority of students who won't go on to use substantial amounts of mathematics or need to learn much math in the future. However, if you do want to learn more math beyond calculus and linear algebra, then a thorough understanding of calculus is absolutely a prerequisite and you honestly probably haven't learned it well enough taking the typical sequence of classes.

For example, I'm currently studying probability theory at a fairly rigorous level (building up from measure theory) and my relative lack of skill with calculus is the main stumbling block. And I was recently talking with one of my professors who said that the biggest obstacle he sees students facing in trying to understand advanced mathematics isn't the difficulty of the math itself, but in their lack of mastery of the fundamental calculations that are necessary to follow the ideas and to come up with them on your own. Fluency with calculus is an enormous part of this. That said, I agree with the point, which is that for most students linear algebra is more useful.

Actually, I might go a bit farther and say that most students don't need to learn much math at all, at least in the way it is taught. Math is pretty poorly taught for a subject that is actually quite interesting once you start to understand it better (part of the problem is that in order to get to the interesting parts you need to first master all the boring stuff), and most people won't use any nontrivial math in their future lives.

Re: Too Much Calculus – Gilbert Strang (2001) [pdf]

#47
post #7

As a programmer, I've found far more uses for linear algebra than for calculus. It shows up in robotics, in machine learning, in game development, and in many other cool subfields. I didn't get very much out of my university linear algebra course. (It was pure theory with nearly zero applications.) I don't think I really developed a good intuition for linear algebra—and why it's so useful—until I read Jim Hefferon's…

until I read Jim Hefferon's free textbook I still prefer reading textbooks in paper, and one interesting note: it looks like a couple of companies and individuals are offering paper copies on Amazon, but none of them appear to be Henderson himself. And the companies or individual offering paper copies still charge $20 – $30!

http://joshua.smcvt.edu/linearalgebra/book.pdf

Re: Too Much Calculus – Gilbert Strang (2001) [pdf]

#48
post #33

> We need to present the mathematics that is most useful to the most students. I wish it weren't this way! Mathematics is a wide and fascinating field, and I think more students could find interest if our schooling reflected that. But moving some of the detail and drudgery that is the calculus sequence to subject matter that requires it, in order to make way for linear algebra, is a great start.

I agree completely, but calculus touches so much of advanced math that at some point you have to learn it in depth (assuming you actually want to learn advanced mathematics). I'd argue that linear algebra is a more interesting subject for most people, but calculus contains more important ideas that are crucial if you intend to continue studying mathematics.

Re: Too Much Calculus – Gilbert Strang (2001) [pdf]

#49

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His lectures are wonderful! In college I skipped my regular Linear Algebra lectures, and used the time slot in my schedule to watch his MIT lectures instead. I ended up scoring one of the highest grades in the class.

Finding out the Fourier transform was a way to multiply matrices was a mind blower :)

I suppose you mean this?

http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/mathematics/18-06sc-linear-algebr...

I was a bit confused by your statement. You mean that the FFT can be done by matrix multiplication? I tried to interpret your statement the other way around, that you can somehow transform two matrices before you multiply them, trying to fit it into the convolution theorem, but I couldn't make sense of it that way.

Re: Too Much Calculus – Gilbert Strang (2001) [pdf]

#50
post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point is that that vs doesn't even make sense. It's like saying what wheel is your favorite in your car, the front left or the rear left. Arguing for calculus vs linear algebra is equally stupid. They are different branches of mathematics with different domains of application.

This I understand, but that sentence with "cliché" in it I still don't get.

Arguments about nothing are all the same.
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