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Photographing people on the edge of a skyscraper in San Francisco

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Re: Photographing people on the edge of a skyscraper in San Francisco

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post #9

If anyone has access to cranes in san francisco, I'd love to do a round #2 and take things even further haha :) This rooftop took quite a bit of scouting around to get but man was it worth it. Love SFO, wish I could visit again!

OT: Your announcements section mentions a workshop in Fiji, but the links are broken.

Re: Photographing people on the edge of a skyscraper in San Francisco

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The final pictures are so heavily over-produced that they look incredibly fake-- which is a shame and leaves me totally baffled. It looks like someone literally painted the figure on the picture. The only time anxiety kicked in was the picture of the whole team posing for a shot at the corner.

Totally agree; I think the project is absolutely brilliant and a perfect idea, wonderfully executed, but the final images have a "fake" look that just kills them.

It shouldn't be hard to produce another rendering from the same sources though.

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Quote: "I wanted to capture the fearlessness of superheroes – without a green screen or cheap special effects." But they were all tethered with safety harness and then evidence was removed in photoshop. How is that "magical, one mis-step would mean end"? Sorry, but I thought the premise of this was daredevil stunts from ordinary people, but this is no different than greenscreen or cheap special effect which u seem to…

Why did this need to be Hollywoodised?

It's plenty scary - and more emotional, IMO - showing ordinary people doing terrifying things, even if they're tethered.

Re: Photographing people on the edge of a skyscraper in San Francisco

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Quote: "I wanted to capture the fearlessness of superheroes – without a green screen or cheap special effects." But they were all tethered with safety harness and then evidence was removed in photoshop. How is that "magical, one mis-step would mean end"? Sorry, but I thought the premise of this was daredevil stunts from ordinary people, but this is no different than greenscreen or cheap special effect which u seem to…

It's like riding a roller coaster or doing a bungee jump -- you know intellectually that you're strapped in tight and therefore safe; but your lizard brain, the part that operates at a deep subconscious level, doesn't get that message, so it's still scary and/or thrilling.

That's great, but watching someone else ride a roller coaster doesn't communicate that feeling at all.

Re: Photographing people on the edge of a skyscraper in San Francisco

#45
post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I were you, I'd take another crack at a few with the opposite approach--hide the safety gear but otherwise show the amateur costumes honestly, bad lighting, flaws and all. It would deliver a much deeper version of the empowerment message you're going for in the text of your post. Seeing a super-hero in a dangerous position is not really impactful--that's what superheros do. Seeing a regular person who is trying to…

I'd actually love another go to create these images all over again. If I can find another rooftop, I would definitely give it a second shot. Thanks for the feedback!

A reshoot sounds cool too, but I meant go back to the original RAW files and process them differently.

Re: Photographing people on the edge of a skyscraper in San Francisco

#46
post #10

That rigging looked outrageous. All I saw was one guy holding onto the models. If a model slipped and fell, that guy won't have stood a chance in holding them back. Hopefully the person was themselves hooked into the roof, and the rigging was hooked into the roof, with him acting on belay. But I certainly didn't see that. I'm so glad nothing bad happened, but this seemed irresponsible from a safety and technical stan…

Everything was doubly tied down, don't worry :) The person holding was there simply to maintain tension the entire way as the models walked from the side to the edge. As for the camera, the flex comes from the metal itself but it was also extra secured with straps in the event that anything fell loose.

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Re: Photographing people on the edge of a skyscraper in San Francisco

#47
post #10

That rigging looked outrageous. All I saw was one guy holding onto the models. If a model slipped and fell, that guy won't have stood a chance in holding them back. Hopefully the person was themselves hooked into the roof, and the rigging was hooked into the roof, with him acting on belay. But I certainly didn't see that. I'm so glad nothing bad happened, but this seemed irresponsible from a safety and technical stan…

Everything was doubly tied down, don't worry :) The person holding was there simply to maintain tension the entire way as the models walked from the side to the edge. As for the camera, the flex comes from the metal itself but it was also extra secured with straps in the event that anything fell loose.

As someone who has spent a fair bit of time working on swingstages, towers and other structures, there's a few things that immediately caught my attention. Yes, I'm going to be that guy.

- As this appears to be a photoshoot for SmugMug, of SmugMug employees, does Smugmug carry the proper class of insurance on their employees to allow this sort of work? In most cases, unless additional coverage was purchased from the insurer, your general "office worker" insurance will not cover this type of work.

- Was the building owner aware of the photoshoot, and did they have the insurance to cover this sort of work?

- Does Von Wong's liability insurance cover this sort of work (especially since he's not tied off when jumping around on the ledges)?

- I don't see a shock absorber attached to the harness, whcih is necessary to limit the forces on the person to 900lbs (body belt) or 1800lbs (harness) in the even of a fall. I also note that the harness looks like it's a climbing harness NOT a proepr fall-arrest harness (the exception I saw was Hell-girl). Generally you must wear a full body harness rated for fall-arrest and be attached using the back D-ring when doing this type of work.

- The tie-off point, while not visible in the video/photos, (generally) must be a certified tie-off anchor or rated to 5000lbs arresting strength. Using a travel limiting device _may_ have been acceptable, but there doesn't appear to be one.

- The webbing making a sharp angle across the roof flashing is also not ideal, as you should be anchored from above in almost all cases.

- Was there a rescue plan in place? Had someone fallen, what would have happened?

If all of these things were taken into consideration and properly addressed, then thank you for doing your due diligence, otherwise I feel like this has OSHA violation written all over it.

I imagine the city of San Francisco also has regulations when suspending equipment beyond a buildings footprint over an active street.

People die regularly from improper fall arrest systems. You were not just doing a fun photo-shoot, YOU were responsible for these people's lives, as well as the lives of anyone walking below.

I will acknowledge that my knowledge relates to the Canadian labour code, but the US regulations appear to be similar.

https://www.osha.gov/Region7/fallprotection/fall_protection_... https://www.osha.gov/SLTC/etools/construction/falls/fallarre...

Re: Photographing people on the edge of a skyscraper in San Francisco

#48

The final pictures are so heavily over-produced that they look incredibly fake-- which is a shame and leaves me totally baffled. It looks like someone literally painted the figure on the picture. The only time anxiety kicked in was the picture of the whole team posing for a shot at the corner.

If you want some anxiety, I suggest this guy's pictures and videos:

http://raskalov-vit.livejournal.com/

Couple of highlights:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLDYtH1RH-U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJkuCzgg7fo

http://raskalov-vit.livejournal.com/136573.html

Re: Photographing people on the edge of a skyscraper in San Francisco

#49

The final pictures are so heavily over-produced that they look incredibly fake-- which is a shame and leaves me totally baffled. It looks like someone literally painted the figure on the picture. The only time anxiety kicked in was the picture of the whole team posing for a shot at the corner.

I'm glad someone else had the same reaction. I also thought they looked like composited photos, so what's the point? I really liked the post and the thought behind the project though, so I felt like an A-hole.

Re: Photographing people on the edge of a skyscraper in San Francisco

#50
post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because 99.9% of the time those inbuilt reflexes are what keep you and others alive; people who don't have them get Darwin awards. I was glad to see they used safety equipment, especially since they were working with non-professionals, but I was annoyed that they didn't mention it in the article and played it down in preference of the breathless self-affirming schtick. Safety protocols matter, because they're what ma…

I was struck by his genuine self-confidence and lack of fear. It didn't come off as daredevil machismo at all. I thought it was inspiring. Von, I'd be curious to know how you reached that level of comfort? Is it just the way you are, do you have training or experience in stunt work, something else?

No doubt, but self confidence != immunity from mistakes. On the side of a mountain, that's one thing, on the side of a skyscraper it imposes risks on other people which they never signed up for. See my comment elsewhere in the thread about the camera rig, for example - sorry, but it's inadequate.
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