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Dogs, but Not Wolves, Use Humans as Tools

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Re: Dogs, but Not Wolves, Use Humans as Tools

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When I hear about Hawking or Musk etc. being feared of AI, I always think about how cats & dogs could have also been scared facing human evolution. But yet here they still are, obviously smarter than us since they don't do shit but sleep all day ;).

since they don't do shit but sleep all day

You mean the lucky few who get to live as pets?

Re: Dogs, but Not Wolves, Use Humans as Tools

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> Only in this case, the humans were the tools, and the dogs the tool-users.

And this is exactly why breeds like Chihuahua, Poodles and Labradoodles have done so well.

These types of dogs living in a Darwinist world, have no right to survive, but thanks to their human relationships they are thriving.

The big question, is this the dog wagging the tail or the tail wagging the human?

Re: Dogs, but Not Wolves, Use Humans as Tools

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post #42

> Only in this case, the humans were the tools, and the dogs the tool-users. And this is exactly why breeds like Chihuahua, Poodles and Labradoodles have done so well. These types of dogs living in a Darwinist world, have no right to survive, but thanks to their human relationships they are thriving. The big question, is this the dog wagging the tail or the tail wagging the human?

With all due respect to Chihuahuas, standard Poodles do pretty good "in the wild" and as work dogs and have a long history that doesn't involve being treated as a fashion accessory.

Also, are humans exempted from a "Darwinist world"?

Re: Dogs, but Not Wolves, Use Humans as Tools

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post #41

When I hear about Hawking or Musk etc. being feared of AI, I always think about how cats & dogs could have also been scared facing human evolution. But yet here they still are, obviously smarter than us since they don't do shit but sleep all day ;).

since they don't do shit but sleep all day You mean the lucky few who get to live as pets?

Oh, it's worse than that. The best evolutionary strategy for animals seems to be evolving into humans' pets, human food, or scavengers of human waste... Other can survive -- with human help -- by serving as entertainment.

Re: Dogs, but Not Wolves, Use Humans as Tools

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It's actually quite funny to see this "in the wild". My parents have a two-year-old Golden Retriever that they've had since he was eight weeks old. From a very young age, he mastered the "puppy face" that melts my mother's heart and compels her to do whatever he wants: giving him food, letting him outside, cuddling, sleeping on the couch, play time, sleeping on the bed, whatever.

He's a naughty puppy, but dammit if we don't love him unconditionally!

Re: Dogs, but Not Wolves, Use Humans as Tools

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since they don't do shit but sleep all day You mean the lucky few who get to live as pets?

Oh, it's worse than that. The best evolutionary strategy for animals seems to be evolving into humans' pets, human food, or scavengers of human waste... Other can survive -- with human help -- by serving as entertainment.

Becoming human food is an evolutionary strategy for animals?

Re: Dogs, but Not Wolves, Use Humans as Tools

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post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, it's worse than that. The best evolutionary strategy for animals seems to be evolving into humans' pets, human food, or scavengers of human waste... Other can survive -- with human help -- by serving as entertainment.

Becoming human food is an evolutionary strategy for animals?

According to Wikipedia [1], cattle have a population of 1.3 billion with a biomass of 156 million tons. Chickens have a population of 24 billion with a biomass of 14.4 million tons.

For reference, humans have a population of 7 billion, with a biomass of 105 million tons.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biomass_%28ecology%29#Terrestri...

Re: Dogs, but Not Wolves, Use Humans as Tools

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post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, it's worse than that. The best evolutionary strategy for animals seems to be evolving into humans' pets, human food, or scavengers of human waste... Other can survive -- with human help -- by serving as entertainment.

Becoming human food is an evolutionary strategy for animals?

Natural selection would favor those organisms who live long enough to reproduce.

Living into old age isn't a factor.

There wouldn't be nearly as many cows, chickens or pigs on this planet if they weren't delicious. Especially pigs, humans would kill them on sight due to the tendencies of feral ones to destroy crops.

Re: Dogs, but Not Wolves, Use Humans as Tools

#49

When I hear about Hawking or Musk etc. being feared of AI, I always think about how cats & dogs could have also been scared facing human evolution. But yet here they still are, obviously smarter than us since they don't do shit but sleep all day ;).

Umm.. shit and eat.. sounds like all animals (humans included).

Re: Dogs, but Not Wolves, Use Humans as Tools

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Becoming human food is an evolutionary strategy for animals?

Natural selection would favor those organisms who live long enough to reproduce. Living into old age isn't a factor. There wouldn't be nearly as many cows, chickens or pigs on this planet if they weren't delicious. Especially pigs, humans would kill them on sight due to the tendencies of feral ones to destroy crops.

In fact wild boar is a favorite hunter's prey. Hey! Maybe wild boar are so elusive, aggressive and ugly BECAUSE hunters like that kind! Maybe they are also using humans as tools...
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