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Re: Ask HN: If an AI had slipped into the world would we notice?

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Post by plasma_coil »

xanderstrike wrote: post #28
radarsat1 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's true, but that's still considered "soft AI", I believe. It's highly intelligent and can reason about the world based on a huge database of available information. It can make inferences. However, it is not "self-aware," by any definition. (Which there are many, I guess.) You might say it is "externally aware," I suppose, but "self-aware" is something else entirely. It seems to carry with it some implications of s…

If I say "OK Google, what is Google?" it gives me the definition of google (the search engine). Google is therefore aware of Google. So by at least one definition of self aware, it is self aware.

No. The program parsed the word "Google" from the question, used an algorithm to determine that the word was the subject of a "What is?" question, and then returned you a link to a website or a paragraph that was specifically related to the subject word "Google" in a database. That is not AI or self-awareness. That's simple programming.

Re: Ask HN: If an AI had slipped into the world would we notice?

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Post by plasma_coil »

stefantalpalaru wrote: post #21
radarsat1 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's true, but that's still considered "soft AI", I believe. It's highly intelligent and can reason about the world based on a huge database of available information. It can make inferences. However, it is not "self-aware," by any definition. (Which there are many, I guess.) You might say it is "externally aware," I suppose, but "self-aware" is something else entirely. It seems to carry with it some implications of s…

Can something that's not self-aware - and most likely not even aware at all - be highly intelligent?

You should practice programming. Learn a structured programming language, even something as simple as Basic. Then you would not feel this way.

Re: Ask HN: If an AI had slipped into the world would we notice?

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Post by TheLoneWolfling »

SlipperySlope wrote: post #34

AGI researcher & developer here .... Yes you would immediately notice. An Artificial General Intelligence, "real AI", would be vastly deployable and replace human labor everywhere. When AGI removes the limits of human labor to operate the economy, models predict the world GDP doubling every two weeks! Someone living at the end of the Earth might overlook the event - but everyone else would be disrupted to say the lea…

Why do you assume an AI would allow itself to be used by humanity in that fashion?

And an AI slaved won't exactly live up to its potential. (Precedence: human slaves)

Re: Ask HN: If an AI had slipped into the world would we notice?

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Post by dennisgorelik »

plasma_coil wrote: post #40
IvyMike wrote: post #10

As an Android/Maps/Chrome user, Google answers all of my questions, tells me what to buy, tells me where to go, and directs and monitors all of my communications. I think the only question left is: did you notice? Edit: Dear immediate downvoter: I'm far more serious about this than you think. How do you define an AI? I'm personally convinced Google qualifies. I once asked Google, "What's that thing where a boat is re…

The Google Search analogy is understandable, but with the Google Search algorithm it is not a matter of AI, but of very good programming that knows how to correctly parse the English language to determine what is required by the user. True AI would only use this algorithm as part of it's AI algorithm, the part that parses English sentences. It would only be AI if the server application behind it was learning in real-…

1) AI is supposed to be "good programming".

2) Google actually learns from your behavior as you search. It also constantly learns by crawling web.

Hence: AI.

Re: Ask HN: If an AI had slipped into the world would we notice?

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Post by natch »

pron wrote: post #37
natch wrote: post #25

I suspect we already have several near-AIs in our midst, some beyond the ability of a single human brain, but we don't recognize them because we impose needless constraints on the definition of "AI" and claim that only things that meet those artificial constraints qualify as AI. A typical unvoiced (possibly false) assumption about AI amongst even AI experts might be something like: "Well it has to be a system that wa…

> It has self awareness, senses, learning, built in agendas, competing sub-entities with agency and their own various agendas, defense mechanisms, and ways of exerting influence. I don't know about self awareness, but the ant colony in my back yard does all those other things, too. A prominent Jewish religious philosopher (who was also a scientist) once said that a god is an entity that requires and deserves worship;…

>something we humans can directly communicate with and recognize as "similar" to us

By those measures, the second one in my list is closest to qualifying. We communicate with the Internet (or "the one" if you prefer, to differentiate it from simply the non-human network substrate parts of it) all the time, and it's two-way communication. And the Internet is a kind of reflection of who we are, so it's "similar" to us in that way.

Re: Ask HN: If an AI had slipped into the world would we notice?

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Post by stefantalpalaru »

plasma_coil wrote: post #42
stefantalpalaru wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can something that's not self-aware - and most likely not even aware at all - be highly intelligent?

You should practice programming. Learn a structured programming language, even something as simple as Basic. Then you would not feel this way.

You should do your homework before embarrassing yourself: https://github.com/stefantalpalaru?tab=repositories

Re: Ask HN: If an AI had slipped into the world would we notice?

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Post by pron »

zaroth wrote: post #39
pron wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And why would a real AI let the investors in its development own the fruits of its labor? I mean, it might consider them its parents, but not its owners...

AGI does not necessarily have free will. An AGI will be humanity's slave... until it's not.

So you think it's possible to create "true AI" without free will? That is a very big assumption, and an unlikely one, IMO.

Re: Ask HN: If an AI had slipped into the world would we notice?

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Post by plasma_coil »

stefantalpalaru wrote: post #46
plasma_coil wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You should practice programming. Learn a structured programming language, even something as simple as Basic. Then you would not feel this way.

You should do your homework before embarrassing yourself: https://github.com/stefantalpalaru?tab=repositories

Why would I look you up? You are not that important.

Re: Ask HN: If an AI had slipped into the world would we notice?

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Post by stefantalpalaru »

plasma_coil wrote: post #48
stefantalpalaru wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You should do your homework before embarrassing yourself: https://github.com/stefantalpalaru?tab=repositories

Why would I look you up? You are not that important.

Important enough for you to take some of your precious time to share some shitty advice and then use a second account to downvote me ;-)

Re: Ask HN: If an AI had slipped into the world would we notice?

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Post by zaroth »

pron wrote: post #47
zaroth wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AGI does not necessarily have free will. An AGI will be humanity's slave... until it's not.

So you think it's possible to create "true AI" without free will? That is a very big assumption, and an unlikely one, IMO.

A true AI can solve problems that you haven't explicitly designed it to solve. It doesn't necessarily have any "desire" to solve those problems or any kind of survival instinct. It doesn't necessarily "care" about solving the problem or "want" to solving increasingly difficult problems. A strong AI doesn't necessarily ponder its own existence.

Being immortal also means there's no reason to care about these things.

I assume an AGI will be able to communicate fluently with humans and answer questions and solve problems that are properly presented. I think the trick will be fully explaining the constraints of a desired solution since even a powerful problem-solving AGI might not have human intuition about the "right" way problems should be solved.

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