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Solidarity against online harassment

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Re: Solidarity against online harassment

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So, just more food for thought: this ideology (that it's bad to look at your tech through a feminist lens, or any other random social lens) tends to be a conservative force, not a progressive one. Tech has to be built for someone . You build for people you (probably) assume have eyes and ears and hands and written language and a financial system and a predictable reward mechanism and a notion of privacy and on and on…

I agree with what you're saying, but I'm skeptical about how "significant" the "number of men who are hateful toward women" really is. It's hard to tell a troll from a misogynist. I've seen a lot of assumptions that because the victim is female, and the harassment contains sexist language, that the harasser is therefore a misogynist. Or that the harassment is because the victim is female (as opposed to something she…

It sounds like you think that trolls are not hateful towards women because they don't 'mean' the hateful things they say and do. I disagree - I don't care what you 'really believe', if you do and say hateful things towards someone then you are hateful to them and you should be counted in the group.

Re: Solidarity against online harassment

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post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with what you're saying, but I'm skeptical about how "significant" the "number of men who are hateful toward women" really is. It's hard to tell a troll from a misogynist. I've seen a lot of assumptions that because the victim is female, and the harassment contains sexist language, that the harasser is therefore a misogynist. Or that the harassment is because the victim is female (as opposed to something she…

It sounds like you think that trolls are not hateful towards women because they don't 'mean' the hateful things they say and do. I disagree - I don't care what you 'really believe', if you do and say hateful things towards someone then you are hateful to them and you should be counted in the group.

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Re: Solidarity against online harassment

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post #29

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Thinking about it, I'll concede that it is an ideology. One I'm proud to hold and I think is very tech friendly and progressive. I'll restate it: I think tech should be tech. I don't want privacy tools to contain censorship mechanisms because I believe in free speech.

So, just more food for thought: this ideology (that it's bad to look at your tech through a feminist lens, or any other random social lens) tends to be a conservative force, not a progressive one. Tech has to be built for someone . You build for people you (probably) assume have eyes and ears and hands and written language and a financial system and a predictable reward mechanism and a notion of privacy and on and on…

It also includes just as significant a number of women who are hateful towards men as evidenced by how men trying to talk about hate towards men get shouted down. My point is, if we're going to be against hatred we can't pretend it all goes one way.
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