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At Facebook, Boss Is a Dirty Word

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Re: At Facebook, Boss Is a Dirty Word

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Earlier today, someone told me that I've "drunk the kool-aid" of my employers, Pivotal Labs. Well, it happens that I decided to work for Labs after visiting the Facebook campus. Literally while I was driving back to SF from Palo Alto. At Labs I work for 40 hours per week. Not an on-paper 40 hours -- actually 40 hours . When I was new to the company I found myself one night on a train to Philadelphia for a personal tr…

I was a Software Engineering intern on an ads product team at Facebook last summer. My experience was almost exactly the opposite of what you assume here. Most people worked 7-8 hour days. I stayed plenty of late nights because I was dead-set on getting a full-time offer, but I was literally the only one on my entire floor most nights (including interns). On the off chance someone stopped in late and saw me, they wer…

> I'm sure some teams work longer hours than others.

That's actually a point I implied but didn't expand.

If you don't set a standard, any one employee's experience is going to depend on the local subculture.

So it's a lottery. Maybe I'm in the team composed of grizzled 3-4 year veterans, who've seen it all, some of whom have young families or hobbies outside of work.

Or I fluke into the team of whizkids who moved to Palo Alto 3 months ago, straight out of college, and who have no social life and nothing to do except work at the most exciting stuff they've ever done in their lives.

Alternatively, I can work at a company where 40 hours is always 40 hours, no matter what project you're on, no matter what your life situation is, no matter how long you've worked there -- and regardless of when the Big Project Is Launching.

Re: At Facebook, Boss Is a Dirty Word

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Earlier today, someone told me that I've "drunk the kool-aid" of my employers, Pivotal Labs. Well, it happens that I decided to work for Labs after visiting the Facebook campus. Literally while I was driving back to SF from Palo Alto. At Labs I work for 40 hours per week. Not an on-paper 40 hours -- actually 40 hours . When I was new to the company I found myself one night on a train to Philadelphia for a personal tr…

Every product goes through design-development-testing-launch-maintenance cycle (with occasional major bug fixing between launch and maintenance). It's natural to work in overdrive during the launch phase, but is just not that productive during any of the other phases. With Facebook's breadth of products someone somewhere is always launching, so it's reasonable to assume that some employees are putting in 50-hour week…

At Pivotal Labs we don't increase hours worked. We reduce scope by dropping the least-valuable stories.

http://pivotallabs.com/crunch-time/

Re: At Facebook, Boss Is a Dirty Word

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Earlier today, someone told me that I've "drunk the kool-aid" of my employers, Pivotal Labs. Well, it happens that I decided to work for Labs after visiting the Facebook campus. Literally while I was driving back to SF from Palo Alto. At Labs I work for 40 hours per week. Not an on-paper 40 hours -- actually 40 hours . When I was new to the company I found myself one night on a train to Philadelphia for a personal tr…

[Earlier today, someone told me that I've "drunk the kool-aid" of my employers, Pivotal Labs.]

I guess perspectives can be very different. I consider "Kool-Aid' you are referring to as plain insult to software engineering :).

Couple of years back Pivotallabs was preaching ideal pair programming. I am assuming it still does?

If two people using a single keyboard, single Monitor is so efficient how come CEO's and CFO's, aren't advised to use the same approach? Is it because Developers are just lineworkers with no individual creativity? I would never consider working at a company like that :).

Re: At Facebook, Boss Is a Dirty Word

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Earlier today, someone told me that I've "drunk the kool-aid" of my employers, Pivotal Labs. Well, it happens that I decided to work for Labs after visiting the Facebook campus. Literally while I was driving back to SF from Palo Alto. At Labs I work for 40 hours per week. Not an on-paper 40 hours -- actually 40 hours . When I was new to the company I found myself one night on a train to Philadelphia for a personal tr…

[Earlier today, someone told me that I've "drunk the kool-aid" of my employers, Pivotal Labs.] I guess perspectives can be very different. I consider "Kool-Aid' you are referring to as plain insult to software engineering :). Couple of years back Pivotallabs was preaching ideal pair programming. I am assuming it still does? If two people using a single keyboard, single Monitor is so efficient how come CEO's and CFO's…

We don't "preach" pair programming. It's how we work.

We're hiring. If you want to see what it's like, apply. We use pair programming sessions as the core of our hiring process.

Re: At Facebook, Boss Is a Dirty Word

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(I'm not going to subscribe to read this so I'm just assuming...) Is this a good time to bring up the Tyrany Of Structurelessness? http://www.jofreeman.com/joreen/tyranny.htm The observation is: if you pretend that you don't have a hierarchy, then your de facto hierarchies will be harder to see, harder to criticize, harder to improve. This is reflected in the standard failure modes of agile process ( http://gilesbowk…

For WSJ, just google the title and the first hit will generally be the article. When you come in with Google as your referrer, the full article loads instead of the paywall'd version.

and I'm sure it's completely worth the trouble.

Re: At Facebook, Boss Is a Dirty Word

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

[Earlier today, someone told me that I've "drunk the kool-aid" of my employers, Pivotal Labs.] I guess perspectives can be very different. I consider "Kool-Aid' you are referring to as plain insult to software engineering :). Couple of years back Pivotallabs was preaching ideal pair programming. I am assuming it still does? If two people using a single keyboard, single Monitor is so efficient how come CEO's and CFO's…

We don't "preach" pair programming. It's how we work. We're hiring. If you want to see what it's like, apply. We use pair programming sessions as the core of our hiring process.

ah, right, that's why I don't work there, I had forgotten.

Re: At Facebook, Boss Is a Dirty Word

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Most telling line: “After seven or eight years or 10 years, you’re done, you’re burned out, you get replaced...” So it's just another Silicon Valley meat grinder. They just grind the meat a little differently.

Facebook is only 10 years, so (1) that claim is obviously nonsense, (2) those "burnounts" are $10millionaires by age 30.

Re: At Facebook, Boss Is a Dirty Word

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

We don't "preach" pair programming. It's how we work. We're hiring. If you want to see what it's like, apply. We use pair programming sessions as the core of our hiring process.

ah, right, that's why I don't work there, I had forgotten.

I don't understand the ire.

It's a straight up great place to work.

Re: At Facebook, Boss Is a Dirty Word

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

[Earlier today, someone told me that I've "drunk the kool-aid" of my employers, Pivotal Labs.] I guess perspectives can be very different. I consider "Kool-Aid' you are referring to as plain insult to software engineering :). Couple of years back Pivotallabs was preaching ideal pair programming. I am assuming it still does? If two people using a single keyboard, single Monitor is so efficient how come CEO's and CFO's…

We don't "preach" pair programming. It's how we work. We're hiring. If you want to see what it's like, apply. We use pair programming sessions as the core of our hiring process.

You didn't answer my question. Why wouldn't Pair Programing concept be applicable to CEO's and Other Executives? Why only programmers/Designers need to be Pair Programmed?
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