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Santa, I'll be 55YO in a few days. All I want is a better job. Thanks.

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Re: Santa, I'll be 55YO in a few days. All I want is a better job. Thanks.

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"not fit the company culture" has many meanings. Again, if you started any type of flame war in my interview, you would be gone instantly

I don't start flame wars in meetings. That's because I don't accept offers from companies that I don't respect. What I'm saying is that hiring managers often tell me I won't fit the company culture, as a direct result of seeing me in person, rather than communicating via email or telephone.

> I don't start flame wars in meetings

> I often get into flame wars during my interview

Make up your mind and then get back to me

Re: Santa, I'll be 55YO in a few days. All I want is a better job. Thanks.

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I don't start flame wars in meetings. That's because I don't accept offers from companies that I don't respect. What I'm saying is that hiring managers often tell me I won't fit the company culture, as a direct result of seeing me in person, rather than communicating via email or telephone.

> I don't start flame wars in meetings > I often get into flame wars during my interview Make up your mind and then get back to me

I already did.

What I just said is that I don't accept offers from managers that I regard as idiots.

When I am actually working for a firm, I am always the consummate professional.

Re: Santa, I'll be 55YO in a few days. All I want is a better job. Thanks.

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That sounds good, but it sounds hard to show that to a potential employer and impress them. Have you built anything with what you've learned? I'm 42, and I performed unimpressively in an interview two years ago. That gave me some motivation to go back and polish the projects I'd been working on, so the projects would speak for themselves. Since then a number of professional opportunities have come up, largely based o…

I've built quite a lot with what I've learned, however it's not always possible to demonstrate that. Consider that I am not permitted to tell anyone at all what my most-recent project was, other than that it had something to do with OpenGL. This because the product was an in-house tool for a client of my client. The very existence of that tool is a closely guarded trade secret. I read Robert Ward's excellent "Debuggi…

Unfortunately, part of the game is accomodating HR and non-technical managers in most companies that have gone beyond the 30 person startup stage, unless you have widely recognized expertise in some relatively rare skill.

There's three hurdles to being hired (and HN has hashed this over before), so the technical chops are there, it sounds like, but then they ask

- is he/she willing to sacrifice for our success?

- "fit/culture", is s/he somebody we want to travel with/hang out, spend lots of time with, most of it involuntary

Re: Santa, I'll be 55YO in a few days. All I want is a better job. Thanks.

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> I don't start flame wars in meetings > I often get into flame wars during my interview Make up your mind and then get back to me

I already did. What I just said is that I don't accept offers from managers that I regard as idiots. When I am actually working for a firm, I am always the consummate professional.

I'm suggesting it is your attitude and not your age but you seem to be dead set on being right.

Re: Santa, I'll be 55YO in a few days. All I want is a better job. Thanks.

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I've built quite a lot with what I've learned, however it's not always possible to demonstrate that. Consider that I am not permitted to tell anyone at all what my most-recent project was, other than that it had something to do with OpenGL. This because the product was an in-house tool for a client of my client. The very existence of that tool is a closely guarded trade secret. I read Robert Ward's excellent "Debuggi…

Unfortunately, part of the game is accomodating HR and non-technical managers in most companies that have gone beyond the 30 person startup stage, unless you have widely recognized expertise in some relatively rare skill. There's three hurdles to being hired (and HN has hashed this over before), so the technical chops are there, it sounds like, but then they ask - is he/she willing to sacrifice for our success? - "fi…

I don't have a problem with non-technical HR and managerial people, nor sales, marketing, production staff and so on.

I remain dumbfounded that their HR didn't understand that work I did on other platforms, contributes a great deal to my ability to code for Mac OS X.

Consider that OS X drivers are all written in C++. I've done quite a lot of C++ work on Windows and embedded platforms, and a little on Linux. Yet their HR wanted me to delete all that from my resume.

I didn't just turn down the jobs. Each time I explained to the recruiters - who generally are non-technical too - that all that other experience contributes to my ability to write OS X drivers. Yet the recruiters were unwilling to pass on the message to the HR.

I've only known this to happen at just one company.

Actually I am quite good at explaining difficult concepts to the uninitiated, as a direct result of my experiences with many of my teachers.

I have a BA in Physics, with some graduate school. I had some courses that I regarded as quite easy, some were quite difficult. Quite often this was not the result of the material I studied, but the ability of the instructor to explain it.

Consider that physics is commonly taught by working out mathematical derivations. That leads people who either don't know math, or don't like it, to regard physics as completely unapproachable.

But physics can be taught in a purely conceptual way, with no math at all. For example, I once explained elementary particle physics to a Burgerville cashier by comparing it to the game of pool. "Suppose you cover the break" - the initial positions of the balls, in a triangle - "with a sheet of plywood. Your job now is to shoot the cue ball underneath the wood, then determine the shape of the break from the tracks of the balls after they scatter out from underneath the sheet of wood."

She was quite pleased as she grasped it instantly.

Re: Santa, I'll be 55YO in a few days. All I want is a better job. Thanks.

#46

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I already did. What I just said is that I don't accept offers from managers that I regard as idiots. When I am actually working for a firm, I am always the consummate professional.

I'm suggesting it is your attitude and not your age but you seem to be dead set on being right.

How can it be my attitude, when the age discrimination is made plainly apparent before I even speak?

Re: Santa, I'll be 55YO in a few days. All I want is a better job. Thanks.

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No. I get lots of interviews with managers who use technologies I'm quite happy with. When I say I am discriminated against because of my age, it's because I can tell they don't want to hire me, the very instant they look at me. Do you know the term "code word", with reference to discrimination? With me, I am often told I would not "fit the company culture". My ex-wife was one a motel manager. She was specifically to…

"not fit the company culture" has many meanings. Again, if you started any type of flame war in my interview, you would be gone instantly

If I start a flame war in your interview, it's because I don't want to work for you.

But before we part ways, I aim to set you straight, so that you stop making such mistakes as, for example, using CoreEdit.

I regard that as a public service to the community.

Apple's vendor lock-in is a particular sore point with me, as I have experienced it with many vendors, but Apple worst of all.

Quite commonly I interview to work on a client's very first Mac or iOS product, after they have experience with some other platform. For example I do a lot of Mac ports of successful Windows products. Also quite commonly, the client wants to make use of some really, really ill-advised Apple technology, perhaps as a result of Apple's Developer Evangelism, or having attended an Apple World-Wide Developer Conference, without the understanding that those conferences are specifically intended to enable vendor lock-in.

So I regard it as my duty to the client to advise them not to use Apple-only technologies when a suitable portable technology already exists.

Re: Santa, I'll be 55YO in a few days. All I want is a better job. Thanks.

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I'm suggesting it is your attitude and not your age but you seem to be dead set on being right.

How can it be my attitude, when the age discrimination is made plainly apparent before I even speak?

How is made plainly apparent?

Re: Santa, I'll be 55YO in a few days. All I want is a better job. Thanks.

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> I get lots of interviews, but quite commonly I find that my interviewer starts finding reasons not to hire me > I often get into flame wars during my interview. If the hiring manager says something that indicates he is a jackass, I will quite bluntly inform him of that fact Do you see the correlation? If you said this to me in an interview it would be over immediately.

No. I get lots of interviews with managers who use technologies I'm quite happy with. When I say I am discriminated against because of my age, it's because I can tell they don't want to hire me, the very instant they look at me. Do you know the term "code word", with reference to discrimination? With me, I am often told I would not "fit the company culture". My ex-wife was one a motel manager. She was specifically to…

Just from your responses in this thread, I think it's more your personality rather than your age. It probably a lot more of a factor than you believe.

Re: Santa, I'll be 55YO in a few days. All I want is a better job. Thanks.

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No. I get lots of interviews with managers who use technologies I'm quite happy with. When I say I am discriminated against because of my age, it's because I can tell they don't want to hire me, the very instant they look at me. Do you know the term "code word", with reference to discrimination? With me, I am often told I would not "fit the company culture". My ex-wife was one a motel manager. She was specifically to…

Just from your responses in this thread, I think it's more your personality rather than your age. It probably a lot more of a factor than you believe.

In meatspace, I am in reality quite mild-mannered, reserved and polite. As I said, the consummate professional.

Quite likely you and the others who raise objections, have never been subjected to age, racial, religious or sexual discrimination. Those who have know what I'm talking about.

When was the last time you met a Mexican-American computer programmer? One who actually had a job?

The education in Mexico, I understand, is very very good.

Even born and raised American citizens don't find much work in technology, if they are of Hispanic heritage.

That's not just me saying it - I am an Anglo. I've observed that to be the case everywhere I have ever worked, I've also read about it in the trade press.

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