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Handwriting vs. typing: is the pen still mightier than the keyboard?

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Re: Handwriting vs. typing: is the pen still mightier than the keyboard?

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What are you typing at 167 wpm? I played on typeracer.com and topped out around 130 wpm.

10fastfingers.com. I was pretty proud of that run because I was 4/120,000 (I normally average about 142 wpm though). I think my Typeracer record is like 150-155 wpm but I don't play that as often.

Just now I tried typeracer, the best I could get was 61 wpm.

However I am very tired, lying on my back in bed with my legs cross and my laptop resting on my stomach, propped against one leg.

I do know for sure I can type a lot faster when I am just thinking about what to type, than when I am transcribing someone else's text.

Re: Handwriting vs. typing: is the pen still mightier than the keyboard?

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While I work as a programmer, my degree is in Physics. I always have a notebook. I carry a small one in my back-left pocket, and take care always to have a pen. I have a regular-sized notebook that I carry in my computer bag, that has graph paper rather than just lines for text, however as you say I don't have it with me. With scientific notebooks, what's important is not to be neat, but to write it down so it's not…

> take notes during TV commercials, if I see a product advertised that I might like to buy // Perhaps I'm an aberration here but I've never seen a commercial and thought "oh, I'll buy that". I've often seen them and thought "that's cool" or even "I wonder how that works". It's clearly a conscious decision to consider buying things simply because they bought an ad slot in a show you watch, I find that quite strange. […

I'm not going to write down notes about how I should take up smoking, if that's what you're asking, nor do I think I'll be lucky in love as a result of driving a fast, red car.

There are lots of ads for things I really do find useful. Consider the controversial superbowl ad for the machine that makes homemade carbonated soda. Sodastream? It's controversial because it's manufactured in an Israeli settlement in the West Bank, however the factory employs many Palestinians.

I like to drink soda, so that's something I would conceivably buy based on the ad.

It wasn't just brand advertising, nor image advertising, but actually demonstrated how one actually uses the machine.

Re: Handwriting vs. typing: is the pen still mightier than the keyboard?

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The most crucial distinction where paper wins is that writing is a "nonlinear" process whereas typing with the tools we have today is "linear". You could use something like a mindmapping tool, but you're again constrained to a fairly rigid format rather than giving you the ease of switching. Eg: you can write down a bunch of things and draw arrows between them. Or draw a graph/sketch. Or draw a link between the thing…

Absolutely. Non-linear processes I think, is a crucial difference, your mind jumps around thoughts, perhaps even in parallel and so having a medium that lets you do that is important. It feels more natural, more free-form.

Interestingly, presenting and sharing your ideas should be done in a non linear way too. People like to drive their own learning and understanding; so when you share your idea with others you want to be able to: jump around, accept feedback and engage with their thought patterns, that are in fact non-linear.

Re: Handwriting vs. typing: is the pen still mightier than the keyboard?

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"I joke with people that..."

Fair enough. Even the speed of writing felt overstated to me. And going below the speed limit. I mean, sure there are some days someone going slow annoys me. There are some days I'm sure I'm that person. They are thankfully low on the realm of crap I notice, though. For me, writing is a bit slower than typing. However, arranging thoughts on paper is faster than the same in a computer. Heaven help you if you want to w…

I don't think the speed of writing is overstated. I am not a touch typist, and don't type fast (without typos), but it's __still__ faster and neater than writing by hand. Nearly every time I write something, I get part-way in, and think, "Man, this would be so much faster if I were typing ...", or "This would be easier to read if I could insert a few lines here".

I still like writing, though.

Re: Handwriting vs. typing: is the pen still mightier than the keyboard?

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I'm constantly bewildered by this notion that writing by hand is slow and thus bad, and that typing is fast and consequently good. In my daily routine work as a programmer I find most of my work consists of thinking rather than writing. Or to twist the words a little: I don't think my typing impairs my creative ability, because the hard part of my job is thinking out the right solution. If you can't hold that thought…

For me, it's not that handwriting is a bottleneck in getting my work done; it's that it's psychologically annoying. For instance, I also get severely annoyed sitting at red lights or driving behind someone going 10 mph under the speed limit (I joke with people that the only thing that ever makes me angry is having a green light turn red right before I get to it). Is it really going to make that much of a difference i…

From your post I get the sense that you realise that your emotional response to impatience is out of proportion to the cause. If you would like to control that feeling of mental anguish, might I suggest you take up meditation?

I've found that regular practice of the Focussed Attention style of meditation does wonders for being able to rapidly dismantle my feelings of frustration and take control of my mental state when I'm "in the field", as it were.

Re: Handwriting vs. typing: is the pen still mightier than the keyboard?

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> In an editorial published on 4 September 2013, the Los Angeles Times hailed a step forward. “States and schools shouldn’t cling to cursive based on the romantic idea that it’s a tradition, an art form or a basic skill whose disappearance would be a cultural tragedy. Of course, everyone needs to be able to write without computers, but longhand printing generally works fine […] Print is clearer and easier to read than script. For many, it’s easier to write and just about as fast.”

Not all hand writing is meant to just express a point. Some hand writing is also—by itself—an art form. I can easily draw a parallel between penmanship skills and something such as creative writing. An easy to write, and fast way of writing is akin to "Jon kills Joe. Jon marries Susan. The end." Easily written, fast, to the point. And entirely worthless unless you only want to convey the absolute minimum. A fluid style in writing can display nuances, such as which side the gradient leans, what letters have a flourish, or how round the letters are (and which ones aren't).

As a programmer, I need to physically draw and write out how an application and its input/output will all come together. Even something stupid such as a simple box with multiple arrows coming in and out of it can have a big meaning. On paper, it looks like a few lines. But it represents what I actually am thinking about; and putting the pen to paper helps create an extension of my own thoughts, and allows me to move on in my head to further down the problem.

I have tried using text files to keep track of this information, but it can not contain the same meaning for me. Lines of text can change, and the visual representation is foreign, compared to something like my own hand writing and drawings. Even tablets aren't the same. The feeling of ink spilling out has an ephemeral high that is given, where a finger or touch-pen to a tablet just doesn't produce the same kind of feeling or relationship.

It may be an upbringing thing, though. I had been taught in a private school that pushed writing and penmanship from a young age. Any rough drafts had to be hand-written, and it wasn't until the final draft that we were allowed to type. Math problems as well had to be worked out by hand on paper, and calculators were not allowed until we reached pre-calc and geometry. I can see the point of view from someone coming up in a computer-only schooling, and how they might be more comfortable in using a keyboard to express their thoughts, though.

When learning a foreign language, I've found actually writing the words and characters out have a tremendous impact in helping me remember them later on. This is especially true for something like Japanese or Chinese, where I retrace which radical starts the character, and the order in which they go. For someone native to these languages, it may not be as big a deal due to the daily usage. However, it also seems some youths in Asia are forgetting the actual writing of some kanji/hanzi due the convenience of computers[1]. So now we can recognize a kanji and know its meaning, but knowing the kanji and being able to write it without aid may be more difficult.

[1] http://www.tofugu.com/2010/08/27/kanji-amnesia-and-why-its-o...

Re: Handwriting vs. typing: is the pen still mightier than the keyboard?

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As a lefty who was forced to write with my right hand because of some superstitions, I won't look back. Never. I will always prefer the key before the pen.

Using a pen to write caused a trauma I tried to turn into something useful by learning to write with my left hand. It ended up nice. I have two different styles now but I'll never be as fast as with my right hand because there are not enough chances to train it in real life (and no, I'll never fill sheets of paper with pointless words just for the sake of it again!).

I think (and hope) we'll pass the point where we'll have to write at all and I see the touch screen example not really as a development. I haven't seen anybody use that feature. Most will just pop up the keyboard and type using their trained routine that is so much faster. And everybody can read it...The possibility to write on a touch pad is a salute to pen & paper. Signing is the only really advantage we get from it and that can be solved also. I think the future is in talk (how about eye tracking?) and further on in brain interfaces. Moving a pen will of course still be there then. Like people riding horses today. Maybe my semi-readable writing style will become art then...

Re: Handwriting vs. typing: is the pen still mightier than the keyboard?

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> Operating a keyboard is not the same at all: all you have to do is press the right key.

Well, that's quite a biased notion. I could as well just say that operating a pen is just pressing it against the paper, while using a keyboard means a lot more: proper alignment of fingers on the home row, learning which finger should be used for which keys, etc.

Re: Handwriting vs. typing: is the pen still mightier than the keyboard?

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I'm kind of surprised that the popularity of tablets hasn't enabled a resurgence of calligraphy. I mean tablets are ideal for practicing calligraphy. You draw your shapes and if they aren't good, don't have rhythm and don't sing; erase and start over.
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