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Re: Piratebay strikes back

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Post by omouse »

callahad wrote: post #26
Keyframe wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By us, people who steal stuff?

The tactics involved in "defending" copyright do more to inconvenience legitimate consumers than pirates.

^^This!

Bittorrent is possibly the best distribution system ever. There is no DRM, there are no checks to see if you're in the right country, there's nothing stopping you from getting exactly what you want.

Movies for example...some people hate the extra/bonus features on DVDs and just want to see the damned movie while others like them. Why don't movie companies distribute two different versions? Also, what about letting people in all sorts of countries download or watch things? This is possibly the worst thing for me because I'm Canadian.

Re: Piratebay strikes back

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Post by anApple »

tjogin wrote: post #33
anApple wrote: post #5

To be honest, I hope these guys are going to jail. You must be a fool to believe that they don't own the pirate bay anymore, or are not associated with the keyman islands shell company running the company. Alone mininova disclosed making > 1 million of profit a year, piratebay's profit must be much bigger, all from the copyrighted works of others. Most of you wouldn't support piratebay anymore if your program/source…

I understand your position, but the thing is that there is no proof for either of the claims you are making: * Not that they own TPB (the Swedish IRS have even concluded that they do not.) * Not that TPB are making any money. While they must have some revenue (from banner clicks), it is not at all certain that it exceeds the costs of running the website. It's possible for both claims to be true, but it's not proven.…

- The Swedish IRS can claim whatever they want. They don't have access to the bank accounts on these islands, so how should they know if some of them are affilated to that company. - It is completely irrelevant if the TPB is making money or not. And I bet it does a hell lot, or otherwise they wouldn't been so keen to go to jail.

Re: Piratebay strikes back

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Post by tjogin »

anApple wrote: post #42
tjogin wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I understand your position, but the thing is that there is no proof for either of the claims you are making: * Not that they own TPB (the Swedish IRS have even concluded that they do not.) * Not that TPB are making any money. While they must have some revenue (from banner clicks), it is not at all certain that it exceeds the costs of running the website. It's possible for both claims to be true, but it's not proven.…

- The Swedish IRS can claim whatever they want. They don't have access to the bank accounts on these islands, so how should they know if some of them are affilated to that company. - It is completely irrelevant if the TPB is making money or not. And I bet it does a hell lot, or otherwise they wouldn't been so keen to go to jail.

The Swedish IRS aren't making any claim. They just can't find any proof that the TPB has anything to do with the accused. And without proof, they don't.

What? That makes no sense what so ever. How does TPB's hypothetical revenue increase the chance that the accused own TPB?

Re: Piratebay strikes back

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Post by Luc »

ErrantX wrote: post #29
Luc wrote: post #12

BREIN is the organisation that puts inane 'Downloading is theft' (which it a simple lie, as any lawyer can tell you) commercials at the start of movies in the cinema and on DVD - not possible to skip them of course! Talking down to their paying public like they do, it's like they really WANT people to stop paying for movies and pirate them.

as any lawyer can tell you As a point of order they would almost certainly tell you it a) depends on the country, b) has been untested in the majority of countries so it is neither right nor wrong and anyway it probably would count as theft in a civil case sense. However I agree BREIN are a bit crazy - and the video they add to DVD's is inane. On the other hand better that than suing individuals I suppose :D (even th…

It agree with a), but I would expect 'copyright infringement' covers the situation in most countries with IP laws. As to b), isn't that mainly applicable to common law systems like the US, UK and its ex-colonies? Most of the rest of the world uses the civil law system which gives much less power to precedents.

Re: Piratebay strikes back

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Post by doki_pen »

Quarrelsome wrote: post #22
anApple wrote: post #5

To be honest, I hope these guys are going to jail. You must be a fool to believe that they don't own the pirate bay anymore, or are not associated with the keyman islands shell company running the company. Alone mininova disclosed making > 1 million of profit a year, piratebay's profit must be much bigger, all from the copyrighted works of others. Most of you wouldn't support piratebay anymore if your program/source…

I think it would more apt if both sides go to jail, neither is the answer to the future of artistic works. On one side a bunch of cartels that IMO should be investigated by the monopolies and mergers commission and on the other freetards that don't provide a realistic revenue model for artists.

I can't resist. I'm a freetard and here is my proposal:

* Artists(haha, really? is Spears and "artist"?) perform live to earn income

I know... it's earth shattering.

If people don't think it's worth the trouble of recording, then they shouldn't do it. See how many people come to your live performance without the free advertising that recordings provide.

Oh, maybe they won't make hundreds of millions of dollars. Should I give up my rights so "recording artists" can be filthy rich? I think not. And also, I don't give two shits about all the administrative ppl in the recording industry. They can all live in the streets for all I care. The current system is worse then welfare.

Re: Piratebay strikes back

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Post by berntb »

Charging people in courts far away... the defendants not even knowing about it (or even two courts with hearings at the same time!)

Isn't that what the Scientology church do?

Re: Piratebay strikes back

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Post by doki_pen »

anApple wrote: post #5

To be honest, I hope these guys are going to jail. You must be a fool to believe that they don't own the pirate bay anymore, or are not associated with the keyman islands shell company running the company. Alone mininova disclosed making > 1 million of profit a year, piratebay's profit must be much bigger, all from the copyrighted works of others. Most of you wouldn't support piratebay anymore if your program/source…

I think you wouldn't find many "coders" that give a shit if their code is "pirated". For most of them, it's a day job.

Re: Piratebay strikes back

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Post by hapless »

vizzy wrote: post #16

well, it's good to believe Reservella is not connected to TPB, but it must be run and owned by someone. TPB claims that the ownership was transferred to this company in 2006. Now how they can be continually discussing a sale of TPB if they don't own it? Anonymous offshore companies are useless under the scrutiny they get. Sooner or latter it will be known who controls it and in this case, I believe, to our major disa…

" it's good to believe Reservella is not connected to TPB, but it must be run and owned by someone. "

That's true in most European countries, but in the U.S. and certain other areas, it is in fact possible to have a company with not just anonymous ownership, but NO owner.

You can structure a company such that all stock works something like a bearer bond: whoever happens to hold the piece of paper is the owner.

Re: Piratebay strikes back

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Post by jacquesm »

aerique wrote: post #20
jacquesm wrote: post #3

according to: http://webwereld.nl/nieuws/63922/pirate-bay-doet-aangifte-te... (dutch) Update 22.03 uur: Joris van Manen, advocaat voor de stichting Brein, laat in een reactie weten dat het Experian-rapport voor Brein "geen enkele rol" speelt in de zaak tegen de beheerders. Het was destijds bij een brief aan de rechtbank toegevoegd in de zaak tegen Reservella. "We doen helemaal geen beroep meer op dat rapport. Het is…

I'm willing to bet 100 euros that Brein will get away with it.

In court, probably yes. But in the press, probably not.
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