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Re: How to Get a Quant Job in Finance

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Having hired a lot of quants and programmers in finance I can probably give a bit of background on what to expect: Get this book, read it and understand it. http://www.amazon.com/Heard-Street-Quantitative-Questions-In... Quants tend to be in 1 of 3 categories: 1) pricing quants, you work for a bank or investment house like Goldamn. You know stochastic calculus very well, you know finite differencing like the back of…

Now if you are a programmer, how do you get into the industry? You need to know stats, machine learning, and programming, really well.

My experience being a quant and being around quants is that, sadly, they don't get to use much machine learning. Some do, but it seems like 97-98% of the work is much more mundane.

Am I correct in perceiving that many hiring managers expect more in the way of interesting experience than they really need (or have to offer in the work that needs done)?

Re: How to Get a Quant Job in Finance

#42

Having hired a lot of quants and programmers in finance I can probably give a bit of background on what to expect: Get this book, read it and understand it. http://www.amazon.com/Heard-Street-Quantitative-Questions-In... Quants tend to be in 1 of 3 categories: 1) pricing quants, you work for a bank or investment house like Goldamn. You know stochastic calculus very well, you know finite differencing like the back of…

Someone asked about brain teasers. They do get asked, you have to deal with it, whining in an interview that this type of question gives no useful hiring indicator won't get you hired. Or to put it another way: if your hiring culture enshrines shallow, game-show style intellectualism along with such a condescending, "just suck it up" attitude towards candidates... then don't whine that you can't find decent programme…

It's just a culture filter. If they have data backing up their methods, that would be nice to see and compare to Google's hiring process that rejected puzzles and brain teasers. I personally don't think there's any correlation with brain teasers and programming ability though.

Re: How to Get a Quant Job in Finance

#43

Having hired a lot of quants and programmers in finance I can probably give a bit of background on what to expect: Get this book, read it and understand it. http://www.amazon.com/Heard-Street-Quantitative-Questions-In... Quants tend to be in 1 of 3 categories: 1) pricing quants, you work for a bank or investment house like Goldamn. You know stochastic calculus very well, you know finite differencing like the back of…

Now if you are a programmer, how do you get into the industry? You need to know stats, machine learning, and programming, really well. My experience being a quant and being around quants is that, sadly, they don't get to use much machine learning. Some do, but it seems like 97-98% of the work is much more mundane. Am I correct in perceiving that many hiring managers expect more in the way of interesting experience th…

> Am I correct in perceiving that many hiring managers expect more in the way of interesting experience than they really need (or have to offer in the work that needs done)?

Yes I think you are Michael. Especially for quant jobs 2 and 3 that I enumerated.

The only reason I listed machine learning is that it is the trogan horse that gets programmers to learning stats. I can't over emphasize enough just how much you need to know stats. half of trading is knowing stats as all good traders trade only when they have the advantage. 100% upside for 10% downside is a good rule of thumb.

I mentioned the deep dive into the machine learning techniques as unfortunately most of the programmers I meet who call themselves data scientists, just aren't very good at stats. I'll ask them what methods they use and they'll tell me the library they used.

Unfortunately most interviews go like this:

me: I see you did some K-means clustering, tell me about it.

them: Well, we used R to cluster related books into groups.

me: how did you choose the inital partition

them: blank stare, um the library does that.

me: yes, well I mean did you use Forgy or Random Partition

them: I don't know what those are. That's just random trivia that I would look up when working. Do you find asking random trivia helps you hire people:

me:...So do you have any questions for me?

Hedge funds have lots of mundane programming jobs. Most are back office stitching together WPF and accounting systems. Even at the HFT firms I've seen only a small portion of the programmers actually do anything on the main trading system.

I'd love to hear about your Jane Street experience here:)

Like most things the closer you are to the money the more you'll make and the more exciting your job will be:)

Most quant jobs that I've seen were very mundane, category 3 is most of the quant jobs. Though most will tell you that they are in category 1 :)

Re: How to Get a Quant Job in Finance

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I got an applied math Ph.D. with a good course in measure theory and stochastic processes from a star student of E. Cinlar and a lot in optimization, wrote my dissertation on stochastic optimal control, had a solid background in software, especially in scientific computing, including a lot of applied statistics, sent a resume to Fisher Black at Goldman Sachs, and still have his nice answer back that he saw no opportunities for mathematics in finance.

Jerked the chains of lots of headhunters and got nowhere.

I concluded f'get about it.

Maybe since then it's changed.

Re: How to Get a Quant Job in Finance

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post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pure math to head of QR risk management over the period when RBS took on insane leverage and relied on wholesale lending markets staying at low rates forever. An assumption that was incorrect and led to RBS being bailed out by UK tax-payers. Good work fella.

head of quantitative research = spending all your time on pricing models for complex derivatives. it's unlikely he had anything to do with RBS's overall financial strategy

Head of modelling risk for RBS. Maybe some of it was derivatives. Some of it should have been modelling the cost of borrowing money on wholesale markets. The RBS strategy was leverage to the hilt, borrow short, lend long. Lunacy.

Re: How to Get a Quant Job in Finance

#46
I'm filled with envy and rage over the fact I'm not good enough at math for this. I barely did above average in my grad level math courses in college (studied aerospace engineering). I worked my ass off; I should have breezed through it if I had the ability to be a quant.

Re: How to Get a Quant Job in Finance

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post #32

Having hired a lot of quants and programmers in finance I can probably give a bit of background on what to expect: Get this book, read it and understand it. http://www.amazon.com/Heard-Street-Quantitative-Questions-In... Quants tend to be in 1 of 3 categories: 1) pricing quants, you work for a bank or investment house like Goldamn. You know stochastic calculus very well, you know finite differencing like the back of…

Can you do 2 or 3 without a CompSci/Math degree?

My team is a mix of 2 and 3, we have comp sci, math, actuarial, engineering and physics people with about an even split. Oh and one quant dev who was a medical doctor but found programming more fun. So it's all sorts.

Re: How to Get a Quant Job in Finance

#48

Interesting! Thanks a lot for writing/posting this. I enjoyed the read. One thing I had to chuckle at was this: >Mark Joshi obtained a B.A. in mathematics (top of year) from the University of Oxford in 1990, and a Ph.D. in pure mathematics from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in 1994. He was an assistant lecturer in the department of pure mathematics and mathematical statistics at Cambridge University from…

Pure math to head of QR risk management over the period when RBS took on insane leverage and relied on wholesale lending markets staying at low rates forever. An assumption that was incorrect and led to RBS being bailed out by UK tax-payers. Good work fella.

But hey, it must have been a fun, taxpayer-subsidized ride. Or as a certain person in the industry once famously said: "As long as the music's playing, you've got to get up and dance", right?

Re: How to Get a Quant Job in Finance

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post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

head of quantitative research = spending all your time on pricing models for complex derivatives. it's unlikely he had anything to do with RBS's overall financial strategy

Head of modelling risk for RBS. Maybe some of it was derivatives. Some of it should have been modelling the cost of borrowing money on wholesale markets. The RBS strategy was leverage to the hilt, borrow short, lend long. Lunacy.

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Re: How to Get a Quant Job in Finance

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post #27

I'd like to see an article titled "Why Get a Quant Job in Finance?"

Because you get to work on really interesting math problems, in an environment that isn't stingy with pay or equipment and has clear objective measures of what things are important for the business?
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