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Once Celebrated in Russia, Programmer Pavel Durov Chooses Exile

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Re: Once Celebrated in Russia, Programmer Pavel Durov Chooses Exile

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A few weeks later, he and other VKontakte executives folded 5000-ruble notes — worth about $155 at the time — into paper airplanes and threw them out an office window, sparking a fight in the street below. I'm wondering if that can be qualified as "mean". Doesn't look like a nice thing to do. I also can't see what was the motivation other than "Look, I'm rich".

Is this significantly different from that guy who goes around putting gold coins in Salvation Army buckets?

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post #33

During the standoff with the SWAT team, which took place soon after, he wouldn’t answer the door. They went home after an hour. Wait, what? Is that what police in Russia normally do? This would never, ever happen in the United States. LAPD actually even has a "Wrong Doors Unit" which goes around repairing broken down doors when the cops raid the wrong address.[0] [0] http://www.dailynews.com/20080316/repairs-help-reb…

In Russia cops can't enter your home unless they suspect some crime to be carried right this moment or have a court order.

You have to open door for them.

However I'm not a lawyer and that might not be valid anymore.

Re: Once Celebrated in Russia, Programmer Pavel Durov Chooses Exile

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A very naive view targeted at equally naive Western audiences. Repression in USSR after WW2 was negligible compared to 1930s.

It wasn't negligible in my country (Czechoslovakia), where the USSR was the model. I think almost everybody felt relief when Stalin (and Gottwald) died. Maybe Stalin didn't oppress people much after the war, but he still got the _right_ to do so, and the Durov's sentence is 100% correct.

All governments oppress people. The real issue is to what extent they do so and what fraction of the people consider themselves oppressed. Unfortunately the frontlines after WW2 where redrawn and Czechoslovakia was in the unenviable position of having to defend the Warsaw Pact while its population wasn't fully supportive of this position. Those who opposed (anti-Stalinists) were oppressed. As a mirror image, consider Greece where pro-Stalinist communists were oppressed in 50s and 60s.

Re: Once Celebrated in Russia, Programmer Pavel Durov Chooses Exile

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I met and talked with Pavel last year in St. Petersburg at the VK office and I found him very curious, humble, and quiet. I enjoyed it a lot and I appreciate his sense of humor. In fact he showed me their conference room, which is decorated like a medieval torture chamber: http://tinyurl.com/nm7pqt2 We didn't get into the details but I appreciate that he didn't take the standard approach to plain old conference rooms.

Re: Once Celebrated in Russia, Programmer Pavel Durov Chooses Exile

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post #33

During the standoff with the SWAT team, which took place soon after, he wouldn’t answer the door. They went home after an hour. Wait, what? Is that what police in Russia normally do? This would never, ever happen in the United States. LAPD actually even has a "Wrong Doors Unit" which goes around repairing broken down doors when the cops raid the wrong address.[0] [0] http://www.dailynews.com/20080316/repairs-help-reb…

You are judging it by Western standards. They may have nothing on him and don't actually mean to arrest him etc., it's just intimidation tactics

Re: Once Celebrated in Russia, Programmer Pavel Durov Chooses Exile

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post #37

I think people ignore one very important aspect of Telegram which is privacy. All other chat apps just want all my private data. There is no privacy at all, I feel almost naked. After coming to know about Telegram I couldn't be happier. I don't care if the encryption in strong or not, at last I have a chat app which many people use and isn't a total privacy nightmare.

Downvote all you want but please share your perspective also.

Re: Once Celebrated in Russia, Programmer Pavel Durov Chooses Exile

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post #46
post #37

I think people ignore one very important aspect of Telegram which is privacy. All other chat apps just want all my private data. There is no privacy at all, I feel almost naked. After coming to know about Telegram I couldn't be happier. I don't care if the encryption in strong or not, at last I have a chat app which many people use and isn't a total privacy nightmare.

Downvote all you want but please share your perspective also.

That's just it - there is no privacy. You've got a client which stores plaintext messages server side, just waiting to be broken into by (hackers/government agents/kiddies). The messages are being sent unencrypted unless you enable the "secure" (it really isn't) mode anyways, so we can also add "people who can sniff your traffic" to the list of adversaries.

That's pretty much the polar opposite of "private".

Re: Once Celebrated in Russia, Programmer Pavel Durov Chooses Exile

#48
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It is by far a superior experience to Facebook, given how intuitive, fast and sleek it is. It's riddled with childporn and sick/illegal stuff like that. Is that's your definition of "superior experience"? It's a crappy Facebook clone,always has been and always will.

If VK is riddled with "childporn and sick/illegal stuff", I have never come across it. One could say the same about the internet in general, but that hasn't stopped you or I from using it.

Grammatical sidenote: It should be "you or me." An easy way to know whether to use "I" or "me" is to remove the other subject and see if it's correct. Like so:

"... but that hasn't stopped I from using it."

"... but that hasn't stopped me from using it."

This way it's easy to see which one is right.

Re: Once Celebrated in Russia, Programmer Pavel Durov Chooses Exile

#49
post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

False dichotomy. You can permit law enforcement to make warranted requests against specific users or groups while still not allowing them access to all the data. You don't have to choose between "revolutionary hero" and "let the government do whatever they want with your company and your users", at least not in North America. In a country like Russia it may be different.

"You can permit law enforcement to make warranted requests against specific users or groups while still not allowing them access to all the data." Can you? With the Patriot Act? The fact is that the US gobertment can talk to any worker of any company of the US and blackmail her into doing whatever they want. If this person tells anybody, he goes to jail. "You don't have to choose between "revolutionary hero" and "let…

As much as i admire Levison, at least part of that problem was his own making, namely by being a dick to the agents and charging rates for the work that is way too high.

It is possible to disagree with police without being outright antagonistic to them.

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