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Re: Let's put the future behind us

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post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's using it as a tool to think about the implications of space colonies - with the major point being that he believes that space colonies must implement some level of high fidelity individual tracking and monitoring for security purposes / that people would likely accept that loss of privacy for various reasons.

"Life in space would require privacy sacrifices"

It's a good thing you don't write science fiction for a living :)

Re: Let's put the future behind us

#43
It's fascinating to me the power of the spirit of an age. Lord of the Rings was in all its explicit elements a novel pining for agrarian feudalism. Yet in spite of this it could not help but be progressive. Were it written in the climate of today's never ending 70s tape loop, the moral would be that Frodo should never have left The Shire to begin with.

Re: Let's put the future behind us

#44

Maybe it's just the stuff people end up linking, but Stross's blog always seems so negative. It's a bit of a drag.

Dystopia has always been a glorious part of our culture, in the UK and in Europe more generally. From Mary Shelley's Frankenstein, through HG Wells, Joseph Conrad (the Machine Stops), Orwell, JG Ballard, not to mention Pink Floyd, Chris Morris and When the Wind Blows. We love it, the discordance between what might have been and the plastic shittiness of what is, and we hate that Hollywood happy ending bollocks where…

Regarding The Machine Stops, I think you mean E. M. Forster:

http://archive.ncsa.illinois.edu/prajlich/forster.html

Re: Let's put the future behind us

#46
post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's using it as a tool to think about the implications of space colonies - with the major point being that he believes that space colonies must implement some level of high fidelity individual tracking and monitoring for security purposes / that people would likely accept that loss of privacy for various reasons.

"Life in space would require privacy sacrifices"

"Life in high-density civilization will require privacy sacrifices"

Re: Let's put the future behind us

#47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dystopia has always been a glorious part of our culture, in the UK and in Europe more generally. From Mary Shelley's Frankenstein, through HG Wells, Joseph Conrad (the Machine Stops), Orwell, JG Ballard, not to mention Pink Floyd, Chris Morris and When the Wind Blows. We love it, the discordance between what might have been and the plastic shittiness of what is, and we hate that Hollywood happy ending bollocks where…

Regarding The Machine Stops, I think you mean E. M. Forster: http://archive.ncsa.illinois.edu/prajlich/forster.html

Yes, of course.

Re: Let's put the future behind us

#48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow. You've managed to generalize across 300 million people in one go. Congratulations, that has to be a record. If you're aware that your stereotypes are just stereotypes could you try a little harder next time? Nothing worse than being aware of the failings of your arguments but using them anyway.

Out of interest - where did you get 300 million from? I believe its about 742 million for Europe as a whole and about 507 million for the EU. Or was there some Eurostat poll I missed and we really do have 300 million cynical people here.... :-)

There's about 300 million in the US.

And of course, we're all super optimistic :-)

Of course, what we call Reaganism in the US, they would call Thatcherism in the UK/Scotland. So much for progress, hail stupidity and greed forever!

Re: Let's put the future behind us

#49
post #37

The future has less power than expected. From the beginnings of the industrial revolution up to the first oil crisis, new energy sources were discovered, exploited, and scaled up. Space travel requires insanely high power levels, and it was assumed back in the 1950s that those were coming. They weren't. In the last 50 years, there have been no new power sources. We're still mostly on oil, coal, natural gas, and hydro…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwA7c_rNbJE

Incredible little movie, well worth watching.

Quite neat to see how many of these features we already have today and which ones we definitely do not and probably never will.

Re: Let's put the future behind us

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post #37

The future has less power than expected. From the beginnings of the industrial revolution up to the first oil crisis, new energy sources were discovered, exploited, and scaled up. Space travel requires insanely high power levels, and it was assumed back in the 1950s that those were coming. They weren't. In the last 50 years, there have been no new power sources. We're still mostly on oil, coal, natural gas, and hydro…

So from just your comment, my take is different - essentially, nuclear power was demonized, mismanaged and ignored. We have the technology to have an abundance of terrestrial power to do most things if we'd only embrace nuclear power.

Look at Philae - because it didn't contain a fission source, it's stuck without the capability to replenish it's power source. What would have happened if we weren't scared to death of nuclear power?

https://medium.com/starts-with-a-bang/the-bittersweet-taste-...

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