Pirate Bay Founder Peter Sunde Released from Prison • Hacker News Board

Re: Pirate Bay Founder Peter Sunde Released from Prison

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Post by sejje » Mon, Nov 10, 2014, 8:59 PM UTC

chunkstuntman wrote: post #7

carlisle_ wrote: post #2

>There was no concern for his vegan diet I can't be the only one that thinks it's ridiculous for a prison to accommodate voluntary diets like this.

Well if (I assume) you're coming from the mindset of how US prisons treat their inmates, expecting prisoners to be treated with any kind of humanity at all would certainly seem rediculous.

Well if (I assume) you're talking about the prisons that aren't max-security, it's not very ridiculous at all.

Most of the inmates in our prison system are treated "with humanity."

Re: Pirate Bay Founder Peter Sunde Released from Prison

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Post by baddox » Mon, Nov 10, 2014, 9:00 PM UTC

paulhauggis wrote: post #25

r00fus wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I can't be the only one that thinks it's ridiculous for a prison to accommodate voluntary diets like this. Well, it all depends on whether you think a prison is meant primarily for rehabilitation or punishment.

on HN, it depends. a greedy corporate fat cat that cheated people? punishment. Drug or copyright infringement related crimes? rehab.

When you say "punishment," are you also including the deterrent effect of the threat of punishment?

Re: Pirate Bay Founder Peter Sunde Released from Prison

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Post by Someone1234 » Mon, Nov 10, 2014, 9:01 PM UTC

baddox wrote: post #40

r00fus wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I can't be the only one that thinks it's ridiculous for a prison to accommodate voluntary diets like this. Well, it all depends on whether you think a prison is meant primarily for rehabilitation or punishment.

Why does it depend on that?

Because the only goal of forcing someone to eat something they consider immoral is to punish. It certainly won't help rehabilitation efforts (likely hurt them, in fact).

Re: Pirate Bay Founder Peter Sunde Released from Prison

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Post by MrSlo » Mon, Nov 10, 2014, 9:01 PM UTC

chunkstuntman wrote: post #7

carlisle_ wrote: post #2

>There was no concern for his vegan diet I can't be the only one that thinks it's ridiculous for a prison to accommodate voluntary diets like this.

Well if (I assume) you're coming from the mindset of how US prisons treat their inmates, expecting prisoners to be treated with any kind of humanity at all would certainly seem rediculous.

Heres a short program that the Finnish Broadcasting company did with an American visiting Nordic prisons/correctional institues, just to show a different thinking. Punishment or Rehabilitation. http://arenan.yle.fi/tv/2428667

Re: Pirate Bay Founder Peter Sunde Released from Prison

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Post by baddox » Mon, Nov 10, 2014, 9:02 PM UTC

adamnemecek wrote: post #8

Goronmon wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why should a prison accommodate a prisoner who is a vegan any more than one who wants to eat filet mignon for every meal?

Probably because filet mignon is more expensive than a vegan meal.

In the scheme of things, the cost of losing economies of scale by providing many custom diets is probably the dominant cost factor to consider.

Re: Pirate Bay Founder Peter Sunde Released from Prison

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Post by Erwin » Mon, Nov 10, 2014, 9:02 PM UTC

achamayou wrote: post #33

johansch wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since they ran a multi-million dollar business for like ten years without "having any idea of how much money the ads brought in" (as stated over and over in the court proceedings) that is a pretty big assumption you made just there.

I would have thought that court might have looked into this, and possibly added to the charges in consequence, but the coverage I can find doesn't mention it at all.

At least in Denmark, not paying e.g. $1 million in tax and especially if it's clear you didn't forget but conspired to avoid tax could be a far longer prison sentence than what this guy got away with. It's surprising this was not mentioned given the Scandinavian credit card operations where foreign credit card heavily used in the country were scanned to see if they belonged to not tourists but tax evaders.

Re: Pirate Bay Founder Peter Sunde Released from Prison

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Post by baddox » Mon, Nov 10, 2014, 9:04 PM UTC

Someone1234 wrote: post #43

baddox wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why does it depend on that?

Because the only goal of forcing someone to eat something they consider immoral is to punish. It certainly won't help rehabilitation efforts (likely hurt them, in fact).

That need not be a goal, and it certainly wouldn't be the only goal. The primary goal would be cost and logistics. I don't think prisons have chefs custom making meals for each prisoner.

Re: Pirate Bay Founder Peter Sunde Released from Prison

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Post by geofft » Mon, Nov 10, 2014, 9:10 PM UTC

carlisle_ wrote: post #2

>There was no concern for his vegan diet I can't be the only one that thinks it's ridiculous for a prison to accommodate voluntary diets like this.

My vegetarian friends say that they literally can't eat meat any more, in the sense that their stomach physiology (acids? bacteria? not sure) isn't capable of digesting it. Yes, it was voluntary at some point, but it's not clear that you can still apply that label.

As someone with food allergies, I could understand (and be unhappy) if a captor decided to feed me allergens as intentional punishment, but I'd be pretty upset and feel pretty dehumanized if a captor just did so because it was the cheapest way to prepare a meal.

Re: Pirate Bay Founder Peter Sunde Released from Prison

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Post by Carrok » Mon, Nov 10, 2014, 9:15 PM UTC

geofft wrote: post #48

carlisle_ wrote: post #2

>There was no concern for his vegan diet I can't be the only one that thinks it's ridiculous for a prison to accommodate voluntary diets like this.

My vegetarian friends say that they literally can't eat meat any more, in the sense that their stomach physiology (acids? bacteria? not sure) isn't capable of digesting it. Yes, it was voluntary at some point, but it's not clear that you can still apply that label. As someone with food allergies, I could understand (and be unhappy) if a captor decided to feed me allergens as intentional punishment, but I'd be pretty…

I don't believe your friends. They may notice the meat in their stomachs and feel more 'full' than usual, even feel bad. But 'incapable of digesting it'? Not likely. What, the toilet has whole hotdog pieces in it?

Re: Pirate Bay Founder Peter Sunde Released from Prison

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Post by UrMomReadsHN » Mon, Nov 10, 2014, 9:17 PM UTC

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #3

carlisle_ wrote: post #2

>There was no concern for his vegan diet I can't be the only one that thinks it's ridiculous for a prison to accommodate voluntary diets like this.

How about his Tuesday lunch with his mother? And his yoga lesson? Prison sucks.

Prisoners are actually practicing yoga.

http://prisonyoga.com/why/

>The Prison Yoga Project was founded in the belief that yoga, taught specifically as a mindfulness practice, is very effective in releasing deeply held, unresolved trauma, allowing us to address the resultant behavioral issues

>Our objective is to provide prisoners with a mindfulness tool to draw on their yoga practice when they’re not doing yoga. If they’re tangled in a confrontation on the yard, or upon release, or tempted to go back to using, they can draw on what they have learned from yoga for practical solutions. They can do it without actually having to do a yoga pose to get the value. That’s the transformational, rehabilitative value of yoga.

Video - http://youtu.be/cmiAtV5zAmw