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Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by freakboy3742 »

matrix wrote: post #32
sfk wrote: post #14

If open source parasites like tip4commit don't learn, the next logical step is to trademark projects and send DMCA notices without wasting any further time. Also, with this kind of sleazy behavior, the advertising clause in the BSD license suddenly becomes very appealing again.

Agreed. This behavior is not benign "naughtiness" (as the YC guys like to encourage), it's parasitic exploitation of other people's hard work. Another group I'd lump in with this group is readthedocs.org

Why you put Read The Docs in the same category? RTD doesn't host anything unless you specifically set up an account and say you want to use them. They don't troll the web looking for projects, and hosting their docs whether they want them to or not.

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by chakalakasp »

sfk wrote: post #14

If open source parasites like tip4commit don't learn, the next logical step is to trademark projects and send DMCA notices without wasting any further time. Also, with this kind of sleazy behavior, the advertising clause in the BSD license suddenly becomes very appealing again.

I don't think DMCA applies to Trademarks, it is a law that specifically pertains to copyright. The two areas of law are quite different.

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by maxerickson »

teamhappy wrote: post #40
maxerickson wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The consent isn't about the software, it's about the name/handle. Whatever the legal specifics might be, I think you'll find that an awful lot of people think it is obnoxious to collect money (or so) on behalf of someone else without having them agree to it first.

As far as the nickname goes, yes, I happen to be one of these people. I'm pretty sure you can't collect money on other people's behalf though.

You say I'm pretty sure you can't collect money on other people's behalf though.

What is it you think tip4commit is doing that is being objected to if not collecting money for someone else? Bitcoin are close enough to money for the purposes of what I was saying.

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by randallsquared »

ubernostrum wrote: post #5

I do not normally rant, but tip4commit and its ilk are some of the most infuriating people in the world to deal with, since they're opting other people's projects into something that has all sorts of legal/taxation consequences and think that "we have no way to remove you once you get opted in" is an acceptable answer. I'd push complaints further up to GitHub, since I'm sure something in the way this works violates t…

How can there be taxation consequences unless you act to set up a bitcoin address and accept the offered tip? If you've done all that, I think it's clear you know what you're doing. If you don't do that, then the money (apparently?) returns to the project you committed to, from whence it came.

The only way there could be tax is if you receive the money, and that can only happen by you deliberately becoming involved.

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by legutierr »

matrix wrote: post #32
sfk wrote: post #14

If open source parasites like tip4commit don't learn, the next logical step is to trademark projects and send DMCA notices without wasting any further time. Also, with this kind of sleazy behavior, the advertising clause in the BSD license suddenly becomes very appealing again.

Agreed. This behavior is not benign "naughtiness" (as the YC guys like to encourage), it's parasitic exploitation of other people's hard work. Another group I'd lump in with this group is readthedocs.org

readthedocs.org? How so?

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by sfilipov »

matrix wrote: post #32
sfk wrote: post #14

If open source parasites like tip4commit don't learn, the next logical step is to trademark projects and send DMCA notices without wasting any further time. Also, with this kind of sleazy behavior, the advertising clause in the BSD license suddenly becomes very appealing again.

Agreed. This behavior is not benign "naughtiness" (as the YC guys like to encourage), it's parasitic exploitation of other people's hard work. Another group I'd lump in with this group is readthedocs.org

Would you please elaborate on the problem with readthedocs.org?

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by Bill_Dimm »

sfk wrote: post #14

If open source parasites like tip4commit don't learn, the next logical step is to trademark projects and send DMCA notices without wasting any further time. Also, with this kind of sleazy behavior, the advertising clause in the BSD license suddenly becomes very appealing again.

I thought DMCA applied to copyright (hence the "C" in the name), not trademark. Am I wrong?

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by lotsofmangos »

waterlesscloud wrote: post #35
lotsofmangos wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Bitcoin exceptionalism is clear in this bit: ---- arsenische - Do I need to learn all the laws of all the countries before publishing anything online or may I just use the common sense and conscience please? mitsuhiko - To be honest: when it comes to handling money I would assume so. If this website would be dealing with a real world currency you would have a bunch of problems on yourself at this point. Most peop…

Hmm. I can partially agree with that take on what they're saying. Though it seems more like they're saying "We have no resources but were able to this because it uses Bitcoin" than "We're immune to laws because we're using Bitcoin". Although this situation points out that there is a fundamental conflict with Bitcoin and the established systems that's going to require an adjustment period. While it's certainly true th…

There's no fundamental conflict. Due to the existence of hard cash, I can set up a stall on the street selling stuff. However the tax and licensing folk might still want to talk to me, so just because I have only spent a weekend making a market barrow with a nice tarp, doesn't mean I shouldn't check out the legal ramifications before heading into town with my wares.

edit - Also, if they are actually someone else's wares and you haven't yet asked anyone for their permission, buy several lawyers and some duct tape and apply them as full-body protective padding.

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