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The $1,200 Machine That Lets Anyone Make a Metal Gun at Home

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Re: The $1,200 Machine That Lets Anyone Make a Metal Gun at Home

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to mention, its been trivial to build "zip guns" with basic tools. Crude pistols aren't that tough to make, especially when the heavy lifting (making of reliable and safe ammo) is already done for you.

>> crude (and pretty dangerous) shotgun > "zip guns" This helps people make a fully automatic machine gun, an AR-15, not a single-shot gun.

This is why gun owners get nervous when people who don't understand firearms try to legislate their ownership.

Re: The $1,200 Machine That Lets Anyone Make a Metal Gun at Home

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What does it mean to sell a machine the sole purpose of which is to exploit a "legal loophole"? Can't the machine be made illegal the minute it's available to the public? You can't sell all the ingredients, tools and instructions to build a meth lab ( "Breaking Bad in a Box" !) so what's so different with a gun?

It's not an "AR-15 lower receiver maker". It's a cheap CNC mill you can do an infinite number of useful things with. Should high quality printers be illegal because you can make counterfeit bills with it? Or is the potential for harm an incidental part of any useful device? You can stab someone with a knife, but they're pretty handy for chopping food, too.

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Re: The $1,200 Machine That Lets Anyone Make a Metal Gun at Home

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What does it mean to sell a machine the sole purpose of which is to exploit a "legal loophole"? Can't the machine be made illegal the minute it's available to the public? You can't sell all the ingredients, tools and instructions to build a meth lab ( "Breaking Bad in a Box" !) so what's so different with a gun?

Meth is illegal, full stop. Guns are not, that "legal loophole" is referred to by others as the Constitution, which makes gun manufacturing subject to laws and regulations, but not bans in the US.

> ... the Constitution, which makes gun manufacturing subject to laws and regulations, but not bans in the US.

I don't know if this is actually true. The right to keep and bear arms is guaranteed by the second amendment, but its a bit of a stretch to say that includes manufacturing of arms.

Re: The $1,200 Machine That Lets Anyone Make a Metal Gun at Home

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This looks awesome. For $1,200 you could set up as a company making little things for others, earn enough to pay for the machine and then benefit from it yourself. What I would do with such a machine is to solve the problem of bike accessories and mounts. i.e. every light has a different mount, as do GPS devices, and cameras, and bag attachments. Yet you could manufacture some common clamp, and then adaptors for each…

> every light has a different mount, as do GPS devices, and cameras, and bag attachments. Yet you could manufacture some common clamp, and then adaptors for each thing. Perhaps standardise around something like the GoPro bracket for an even wider market

You can't just sell them, you first have to license every patented clamp and mount. And I guarantee you, 99% of them are patented.

Re: The $1,200 Machine That Lets Anyone Make a Metal Gun at Home

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This looks awesome. For $1,200 you could set up as a company making little things for others, earn enough to pay for the machine and then benefit from it yourself. What I would do with such a machine is to solve the problem of bike accessories and mounts. i.e. every light has a different mount, as do GPS devices, and cameras, and bag attachments. Yet you could manufacture some common clamp, and then adaptors for each…

This isn't a general purpose CNC milling machine. If you read the whole article, this is specifically designed to mill and drill the lower receivers of AR15, from a piece of aluminum stock called the "80 percent stock", which is a non-functional metal part that is only missing a few holes. If you have grand ideas about bike accessories and other metal objects, you can buy a proper CNC mill which is a bit more expensi…

I visited the site all excited only discover that very fact.

I'm also probably on some weird list now for visiting a site to see about home made guns.

Re: The $1,200 Machine That Lets Anyone Make a Metal Gun at Home

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The main reason this allows you to build an AR-style rifle is that US firearms law focuses on receivers (per U.S.C. Section 921(a)(3), which are in many cases quite easy to manufacture. For instance, many Kalashnikov receivers are made of stamped sheet metal. The pressure-bearing parts, like the barrel or the bolt, are much harder to manufacture, at least for rifles. Most European countries will therefore regulate th…

Plus the way the law is structured in the UK, you cannot out-clever it. It is a "If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck."-type of law.

So for example, a farmer (without a firearm licence) tired of people stealing created a trap, a thick cardboard tube, hung on a string pointed at the doorway, set to ignite and shoot shrapnel when the door was opened.

The farmer winds up forgetting about his trap and sets it off injuring himself. He was charged with having an illegal firearm because even though it was something he built himself, it was still similar enough to a gun to be considered one.

Re: The $1,200 Machine That Lets Anyone Make a Metal Gun at Home

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Is this thing really a $1200 CNC-mill? What are the dimensions it takes? Also, materials, aluminium only? This thing could be really nice for hobby projects (not gun related, that is).

No, it is not a general purpose CNC mill. It is specifically designed for the task of making the receiver parts from almost ready but non-functional gun pieces ("80% receivers").

It might be adaptable something else but it wasn't designed for that.

Re: The $1,200 Machine That Lets Anyone Make a Metal Gun at Home

#48
post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Meth is illegal, full stop. Guns are not, that "legal loophole" is referred to by others as the Constitution, which makes gun manufacturing subject to laws and regulations, but not bans in the US.

> ... the Constitution, which makes gun manufacturing subject to laws and regulations, but not bans in the US. I don't know if this is actually true. The right to keep and bear arms is guaranteed by the second amendment, but its a bit of a stretch to say that includes manufacturing of arms.

So the government could ban the manufacture and importation of printers, printer parts, radio and TV transmitters, etc. etc., indirectly negating the rights of free speech and the press?

Nope, that's not how it works.

Re: The $1,200 Machine That Lets Anyone Make a Metal Gun at Home

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I have to agree with the initial comment on the article, this is a fear mongering piece. Anyone that has a working knowledge of firearms can put together a usable weapon using readily available parts. In fact, a trip to home depot is all you need in order to build a crude (and pretty dangerous) shotgun. I also think it goes without saying that a criminal would probably opt to spend the $1,200 required to buy this CNC…

And to underscore how a usable rifle may be constructed with readily available parts, I present a personal favorite, the AK-47 built from a receiver recycled from a shovel: http://www.northeastshooters.com/vbulletin/threads/179192-DI...

Re: The $1,200 Machine That Lets Anyone Make a Metal Gun at Home

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$1200 machine that can print arbitrary metal objects and the journalist focuses on a gun? What is wrong with you people...

> $1200 machine that can print arbitrary metal objects

It's nothing like that. This specifically designed to drill holes in gun parts and do only that.

CNC mills and metal 3d printers do exist but they are quite a bit more expensive than this.

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