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Re: Signaling Post-Snowden Era, New iPhone Locks Out N.S.A

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Post by hahainternet »

krija wrote: post #9

This makes me extraordinarily happy, perhaps this is the first major step in the struggle against government spying on innocent citizens? On another note, is anyone disturbed by how even the idea of people being able to store their private data securely being seen as inherently criminal by high level officials? What does that say about these people in power, they literally view your right to privacy as dangerous. Sic…

> What does that say about these people in power, they literally view your right to privacy as dangerous. Sickening

Your right to privacy is dangerous. Imagine trying to investigate a murder with unlimited privacy. Unless someone saw the killer kill, you've no chance.

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Post by rdwallis »

privong wrote: post #32
theGimp wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There could be truth in that number depending on what encryption algorithms are used. Some take significantly longer than others to apply. On a tangent, I trust Apple's competence but I have seen no information on the technicalities of this feature. I would like to hear specifics so we can estimate how secure the design is based on facts.

> There could be truth in that number depending on what encryption algorithms are used. Some take significantly longer than others to apply. The computational burden likely cannot be too high, as it is running on mobile hardware and people expect rapid access to their data after entering their passcode.

The decryption is probably being done by specialized circuitry on the chip. It might perform the operation faster than a much more powerful machine.

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Post by vermontdevil »

mcintyre1994 wrote: post #33
Ntrails wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I'd hate to have people look at me and say, 'Well how come you can't save this kid?' 'How come you can't do this thing?'" said Mr Comey in a briefing. [1] A separate article on the same sort of thing. But, I can't help but laugh at how the instant canned response from the FBI was "WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN". It's pathetic, even more so because it keeps working. [1] http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-2937…

> “Apple will become the phone of choice for the pedophile,” said John J. Escalante, chief of detectives for Chicago’s police department. “The average pedophile at this point is probably thinking, I’ve got to get an Apple phone.” http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/2014/09/25... This one's even more pathetically blatant.

Perhaps that overly dramatic chief of detectives think there should be no white vans, no ice cream trucks, or other "tools" of the roving gangs of pedophiles.

People like these that are in position of power over citizens are more threatening to us than ISIS in a faraway land.

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Post by blisterpeanuts »

hahainternet wrote: post #37
silentOpen wrote: post #19

FTA: At a news conference on Thursday devoted largely to combating terror threats from the Islamic State, Mr. Comey said, “What concerns me about this is companies marketing something expressly to allow people to hold themselves beyond the law.” The state and the law are separate entities, Mr. Comey. It concerns me that, in your mind, you have conflated the power of the state with the normativity of the law. In the t…

> The state and its avatars must recognize that it cannot and must not have the ability to exercise absolute power over citizen's thoughts, computations, and communications if it wishes to foster a healthy and free society This sounds lovely, except it's just absolute nonsense. For many thousands of years states have maintained the power to restrict citizens communications and almost since the invention of the telegr…

Not nonsense at all, just an idealized view of things that doesn't always mesh with reality.

Freedom is not a static thing; it's a constant conflict between various parties. It's a balance.

Various entities within the government are always trying to wrest more control of individuals, more information about their lives, all with the justification of achieving incrementally better service to society and the world.

We the citizens of industrial societies need to come to a consensus as to how much freedom we should have, versus how much we should sacrifice for the sake of collective safety and security. We are nowhere near an agreement at this time.

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Post by lodewijkadlp »

Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha

Edit: just to be clear, this is just more FUD. Perhaps a higher rank will be required to randomly wiretap iPhones; a higher level of secrecy will be engaged. But Apple does not have the power to deny the NSA easy access. Not that they'd really want to, they've collaborated all along the way. Bottom line: please keep this propaganda shit out of your daily wishful thinking and work on a real solution.

Re: Signaling Post-Snowden Era, New iPhone Locks Out N.S.A

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Post by vermontdevil »

hahainternet wrote: post #41
krija wrote: post #9

This makes me extraordinarily happy, perhaps this is the first major step in the struggle against government spying on innocent citizens? On another note, is anyone disturbed by how even the idea of people being able to store their private data securely being seen as inherently criminal by high level officials? What does that say about these people in power, they literally view your right to privacy as dangerous. Sic…

> What does that say about these people in power, they literally view your right to privacy as dangerous. Sickening Your right to privacy is dangerous. Imagine trying to investigate a murder with unlimited privacy. Unless someone saw the killer kill, you've no chance.

Yeah we have always caught killers over the years solely on the basis on electronic spying. Forget about all the other tools of detective work that has been used.

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Post by outworlder »

hahainternet wrote: post #39
mcintyre1994 wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> “Apple will become the phone of choice for the pedophile,” said John J. Escalante, chief of detectives for Chicago’s police department. “The average pedophile at this point is probably thinking, I’ve got to get an Apple phone.” http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/2014/09/25... This one's even more pathetically blatant.

You mean accurate right, because it's accurate.

No, it's not. It is as if the communication couldn't be monitored. It's not like the phone conjures the images from thin air.

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Post by kaffeinecoma » 

  The new security in iOS 8 protects information stored on 
  the device itself, but not data stored on iCloud, Apple’s 
  cloud service. So Apple will still be able to obtain some 
  customer information stored on iCloud in response to 
  government requests.
Some? I think the importance of this qualification has been overlooked everywhere it's been reported.

Re: Signaling Post-Snowden Era, New iPhone Locks Out N.S.A

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Post by hahainternet »

vermontdevil wrote: post #46
hahainternet wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What does that say about these people in power, they literally view your right to privacy as dangerous. Sickening Your right to privacy is dangerous. Imagine trying to investigate a murder with unlimited privacy. Unless someone saw the killer kill, you've no chance.

Yeah we have always caught killers over the years solely on the basis on electronic spying. Forget about all the other tools of detective work that has been used.

That's a complete strawman you've pulled on me there. I never said anything like that.
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