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Earth’s Water Is Older Than the Sun

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Re: Earth’s Water Is Older Than the Sun

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Post by nitrogen »

lotharbot wrote: post #32
themodelplumber wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So I'm curious, which Christian sects think this means the Sun was literally created at that point? I am a Christian but I'm not all Christians, so that kind of reading is new to me and feels rather odd.

Christian Fundamentalism (which is a decidedly American/English sect, 100 years old this year) is the only sect I'm aware of that takes a hard-line literalist approach to Genesis 1, and even among them there's argument as to whether the sun is literally created at that time or if it becomes visible somehow. (That idea is fairly old -- I was just reading Aquinas' take on it, written in the 1200s: http://www.ccel.org/c…

Biblical literalism is much older than 100 years, though different groups in history may have chosen different parts to take literally.

Re: Earth’s Water Is Older Than the Sun

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Post by ghayes »

themodelplumber wrote: post #29

As someone interested in science, I was really excited to read the headline and see the HN discussion. As a Christian I was surprised and kind of creeped out to see the "so much for the Bible" talk. I feel like a Japanese person must feel when an American tries to get them to laugh at jokes. But I guess in a way it's nice though that nobody ever brings up the sort of beyond-Religion-101 topics that actually challenge…

Then feel free to respond to the comment at hand, not start another thread discussing the matter.

Re: Earth’s Water Is Older Than the Sun

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Post by _urga »

negamax wrote: post #24
eapen wrote: post #16

I came to say that this changes everything since I thought the light came first. Still seemed relevant. (not trolling) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Let_there_be_light In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.…

Inclination of religious people to prove their texts to be relevant in light of scientific discoveries is interesting trend. And I see it everywhere, in all religions. Have you heard of term scientific religion?

See Scientism: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientism

Re: Earth’s Water Is Older Than the Sun

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Post by _urga »

krapp wrote: post #27
negamax wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Inclination of religious people to prove their texts to be relevant in light of scientific discoveries is interesting trend. And I see it everywhere, in all religions. Have you heard of term scientific religion?

What other choice can religious people make and still remain religious? It can't be the Word of God if it can be disproven, but of course the goalposts of interpretation can always be moved. I mean, it's no longer dogma that the universe is written on crystal spheres surrounding the perfect sphere of Earth, because it can't be... but Genesis is still vague enough that it can be handwaved to justify anything else scie…

If you want to disprove the Christian faith (faith in the historical person of Jesus Christ), then you need to make up your mind about the positive and negative historical sources concerning him, their closeness in time to him (historical distance), and the textual reliability of those sources.

See Paul Barnett's "Jesus And The Logic Of History" for the historical method as applied to Jesus: http://www.amazon.com/Jesus-History-Studies-Biblical-Theolog...

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Post by ZoFreX »

themodelplumber wrote: post #29

As someone interested in science, I was really excited to read the headline and see the HN discussion. As a Christian I was surprised and kind of creeped out to see the "so much for the Bible" talk. I feel like a Japanese person must feel when an American tries to get them to laugh at jokes. But I guess in a way it's nice though that nobody ever brings up the sort of beyond-Religion-101 topics that actually challenge…

On the upside, they got thoroughly smacked down, and I learned something interesting about Genesis today :)

Re: Earth’s Water Is Older Than the Sun

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Post by tomp »

baxterross wrote: post #39

the sun's hydrogen is older than the sun. boom.

Yes, the title of the article is kind of shitty, and obvious. All elements in the solar systems (except those being formed in the sun's core) are older than the sun, probably the result of the explosion of some much older stars.

But what the article is really trying to say, is that it's "normal" that our solar system has (this much) water.

> If our solar system’s formation was typical, cosmically speaking, then the findings imply that interstellar ices are in healthy supply for all up-and-coming planetary systems. And since all life we know of depends on water, that news improves the odds that other planetary systems have what it takes to support life.

Re: Earth’s Water Is Older Than the Sun

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Post by coldtea »

lotharbot wrote: post #26
sigzero wrote: post #23

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The last one, you are trying to find contradiction where there is none.

Among serious Christian circles it would be phrased as "learning that first century Jewish culture was different from ours and didn't react the same to certain concepts". They didn't see it as at all weird to identify Jesus with wisdom -- not because they were idiots or missed a blatant contradiction, but simply because they didn't have the same specific hangups we do. Likewise, Jesus identifying as a "hen gathering…

It's not a gender faux-pas now either in 99% of the world.
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