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Re: Venture Firms Fret as Y Combinator Soars

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This is what happens when (as an industry) you don't treat people well, when you feel have the power to do as you please. Let me explain: pre-Ycombinator a lot of VCs would routinely either abuse or just simply ignore a lot of entrepreneurs. Someone can correct me but YC was a response to that. One reason everyone flocks to YC is because everyone knows that YC is fair and trustworthy. That's not the case anywhere els…

Actually angel investing was the response to that, individuals who weren't wealthy enough to join a fund and become an LP but had enough disposable assets that if they put $50,000 - $1M at risk it wouldn't ruin their retirement if they lost it all. One of the things that I haven't read about is what is the 'YC' of movies? In many ways the money in Hollywood is there but there isn't nearly the organization like there…

YC probably most closely resembles the talent agency William Morris.

Re: Venture Firms Fret as Y Combinator Soars

#42

This is what happens when (as an industry) you don't treat people well, when you feel have the power to do as you please. Let me explain: pre-Ycombinator a lot of VCs would routinely either abuse or just simply ignore a lot of entrepreneurs. Someone can correct me but YC was a response to that. One reason everyone flocks to YC is because everyone knows that YC is fair and trustworthy. That's not the case anywhere els…

> One reason everyone flocks to YC is because everyone knows that YC is fair and trustworthy. Another reason is that YC is the gold standard, and having that endorsement opens all kinds of doors. But simply put, YC is a better mousetrap compared to the old-boy capital firms.

>>having that endorsement opens all kinds of doors.

This might be the most important of all things. People pay big money to get into Ivy Leagues because its assumed the smartest study there, and then come out even better. Access to a rich, powerful and well connected Alumni, which has a mutual interest in defending each other to keep the value of their network high is best thing you can ever have in your career.

Probably not many people get into YC for the initial money these days. Its just access to that network and the alumni.

Re: Venture Firms Fret as Y Combinator Soars

#43
How does Genius get away with copying an entire (paywalled) article with a single link back?

Perhaps the commentary is transformational enough to make it arguable legal, but it seems entirely wrong to me.

Re: Venture Firms Fret as Y Combinator Soars

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Y Combinator is in itself a venture capital firm whose genius has been to use innovative ways to capture and control deal flow for premiere startup ventures.

Back in the day, top VCs would not be caught dead investing in an early stage seed funding. It was considered undignified. These were the firms that managed the best IPOs, that spawned the greatest tech ventures, that brought a value-add to their portfolio companies that was beyond measure as they would bring their formidable network of contacts into play for the benefit of their companies. And in return for their conferring such benefits on the ventures they expected to control things, or at least to have a formidable say in how things went. Yes, at the time of a successful IPO, they would convert to common stock just like the rest of the equity holders (though even there usually with the privilege of exercising registration rights) but before that they could and would exert liquidation preferences, conversion privileges, and control mechanisms in ways that left no doubt that they had the final say on most everything. And, if their interests clashed with those of the founders, it was not the investors who suffered. Top VCs valued their reputations and would tend to play it straight in not engaging in overt founder abuse. Yet the institutional mechanisms often gave them overwhelming leverage that left founders at a severe disadvantage: 2x, 3x, or higher liquidation preferences, full ratchet conversion adjustments on down rounds, etc. Lower-tier VCs went further and engaged in overt abuse on some occasions, to the point where the name "VC" often would make founders shudder.

Before YC, the only investors who actually took only common stock for their money were unsophisticated friends and family investors who didn't even know what preferred stock was. When YC came along, it took only common stock for its investment. Investors historically would look for ways to gain clout and squeeze founders through tactics such as 2x or 3x liquidation preferences in preferred stock rights, through lopsided conversion privileges used to wipe out founder interests in down rounds, through control tactics by which founders were put in defenseless positions and booted only to have the bulk of their founders' stock bought back at forfeiture rates, etc., etc. The persons being abused in such cases were primarily founders but the tactics wound up destroying or seriously compromising the interests of anyone who held common stock in such a venture. That sort of thing could prove very effective from an investor perspective when founders had no choice but to submit if they wanted the investors' money.

So founders basically had to come hat in hand to the VCs and play the game strictly by their rules, which amounted to the rules of a stacked deck. There is nothing inherently wrong with this. Money does indeed talk and, if founders wanted to take several million dollars as an investment from someone, they did what was needed to satisfy the investor requirements as they found them.

Y Combinator is an "accelerator" and all of that but what it mainly is is a VC firm that made the critical decision to align its interests with those of the founders right from the start.

So, out the window went the idea that a dignified VC would not soil its hands with a seed-stage investment. YC invested right from the start.

Out the window went the idea that a VC would take only preferred stock for its interest. YC took only common.

Out the window went the idea that a VC had to control the board, or at least had to have shared control, or at a minimum at least one board seat. YC left the board in the hands of the founders.

These innovations by themselves would likely have changed nothing but YC also built an incredible following of top founders inspired by Paul Graham and others who sought to build a network structure characterized by the highest level of talent. This too worked and YC companies thus got access to a rich treasure trove of resources that gave a value-add far exceeding that offered by a traditional VC firm. This in turn established YC as an omnium gatherum of much of what was and is best in the startup world.

With its interests largely aligned with the interests of founders, and with a formidable array of top founders populating its ranks, YC has set rules and norms for startup investing to which traditional VCs have had to yield if they wanted to partake in the opportunities. These have consisted of a shaking up of all the old assumptions of what VCs did or could do, with the result that top VCs today will invest early and often in funding for startups right out the gate, that top VCs will invest in convertible notes and convertible securities (SAFEs) in ways that were once unthinkable, and, of late, that top VCs (and other investors) will have to abide by some founder-friendly rules about whether or not they are permitted to use high-pressure tactics in structuring their offers, in whether or not the are permitted to yank term sheets without consequence, and in many other areas as well.

I have no doubt that YC did all this for its own interests as well as for a broader goal of using its investments to further its idea of the startup ideal. I also have no doubt that this phenomenon is fueled by broader developments by which founders are now well-connected and able to know and understand what is going on in ways that founders in, say, the 1990s had no clue about. None of it would have worked otherwise. Yet, founders are now well-connected, they know a sucker-deal when they see it, and they know value when they see it.

YC does not offer value for everyone. Many founders have no desire to give up 7% of their company for a little cash and access to the YC network. But, for many (and especially younger) founders, the value offered is phenomenal. Hence, the huge YC draw of top-talented founders. And that is where the action is. If the traditional VCs want a part of that, they perforce must conform to YC's expectations and founder-friendly rules. And they have done so.

Top VCs will continue to have enormous clout. But it is no longer lopsided the way it was a decade ago and before. It is now far more balanced and one of the big reasons is that a different style of venture firm in the form of YC came along to set new standards that now govern a big part of how the game is played. YC rethought the rules of being a VC and did it radically differently. It has paid off. The venture business will never be the same again.

Re: Venture Firms Fret as Y Combinator Soars

#47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually angel investing was the response to that, individuals who weren't wealthy enough to join a fund and become an LP but had enough disposable assets that if they put $50,000 - $1M at risk it wouldn't ruin their retirement if they lost it all. One of the things that I haven't read about is what is the 'YC' of movies? In many ways the money in Hollywood is there but there isn't nearly the organization like there…

Individuals have a lot of sway in Hollywood. It's all star power. Money and talent flock to the stars, and by stars I include producers, writers and directors in addition to actors and actresses. They make money and are prestigious to work with, especially if the movie is successful. In addition to individual behavior there are also the various unions like the Writers Guild of America, the Screen Actors Guild, the Di…

You could argue its all 'star power' in the valley too, money and talent do seem to follow people who have a couple of big exits on their resume. One of the differences though is the artistic element. Engineering startups is an 'art' but it isn't the kind that brings out the 'artist temperament' as some refer to it.

I don't have enough real knowledge about how that gets done so I can't really say if such a thing could happen, but I do see a lot of similarities between Bay Area culture and So Cal culture which are both warped a bit by their respective economic engines.

Re: Venture Firms Fret as Y Combinator Soars

#48
post #45

How does copyright work in a situation like this then? You're taking a paywalled (expensive paywall at that) article and posting it elsewhere. How's it not copyright infringement?

I'm guessing it'd be claimed as fair use because it's transformative.

Re: Venture Firms Fret as Y Combinator Soars

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point of this annotation was for someone who disagrees with the author to offer a point by point take down in the context of the original article. You could understand the article (at least the view the author wants to promote) just fine without the annotation--the annotation provides a counterpoint that systematically undermines the premise of the article. [edit spelling]

Agree! I was going to reply to some of Sam's comments, but stopped because this is not at all what Genius was designed for and my reply to his comments wouldn't fit the UX.

Did you notice the comments button?

Re: Venture Firms Fret as Y Combinator Soars

#50

This is what happens when (as an industry) you don't treat people well, when you feel have the power to do as you please. Let me explain: pre-Ycombinator a lot of VCs would routinely either abuse or just simply ignore a lot of entrepreneurs. Someone can correct me but YC was a response to that. One reason everyone flocks to YC is because everyone knows that YC is fair and trustworthy. That's not the case anywhere els…

> One reason everyone flocks to YC is because everyone knows that YC is fair and trustworthy. Another reason is that YC is the gold standard, and having that endorsement opens all kinds of doors. But simply put, YC is a better mousetrap compared to the old-boy capital firms.

> Another reason is that YC is the gold standard, and having that endorsement opens all kinds of doors.

Yes it does, but it actually should not. By becoming an endorsement YC loses a bit of its effectiveness and the eventual rate of success will probably decline measurably.

Ideally investors would properly investigate the companies they intend to invest in rather than to just use YC as a way to increase their probability of scoring a hit. That's just another variation on the 'dumb money' theme and the field as a whole will lose from such inefficient allocation.

It will put fewer wood behind more arrows. Even though YC companies are probably already over-valued it would be more efficient if VC capital would concentrate on those companies the VCs actually believe will succeed rather than to see these blanket investments in anything that moves that has been backed by YC.

It even matters to the founders.

As long as there is a glut of capital chasing these companies a number of companies that did not go through YC will likely be passed up on simply because they don't have the stamp of approval that YC offers.

This is a gap that might be large enough for a smart VC to exploit. Ignore the YC stamp of approval, treat all applications equally and invest in a couple of dark horses that did not make it to YC for various reasons (geography, timing, bad fit), but to have their application roughly around the same time as YC has theirs.

That way they can use the YC 'vetted' companies as the benchmark against which they can evaluate their batch of 'dark horses' substantially increasing the hit rate of the latter without having to compete with all the other investors in the YC batch.

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