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Nearly All U.S. Home Depot Stores Hit By Credit Card Theft

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Re: Nearly All U.S. Home Depot Stores Hit By Credit Card Theft

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This is supposed to be much bigger than the Target breach. If this doesn't give the move to the more secure EMV chip and pin method in the US, nothing will.

Having chipped cards would not prevent this. It would slow down criminals cloning cards but the numbers can still easily be used fraudulently online.

In Norway, the most common type of card is a debit card that can also be used as a Visa or MasterCard credit card. The card has a smart chip on the front, and on the back you have your national id number/date of birth, photo and signature, etc. The card is frequently used as an id card.

When you pay using the debit card, you have to insert the part of the card with the chip into a reader and enter your pin. Typically you can not do this until the cash register has transferred the amount to pay to the terminal.

You can also use it as a credit card when abroad or even in Norway. However, I'm not sure if the card will actually allow you credit (i.e. borrow money) per se -- I believe the account must have a sufficient positive balance, and I believe the domestic terminals are able to check that in real time (i.e. in a few seconds) and decline the sale if not funded.

As for online purchases, every time I use it as a credit card, I get re-routed to a card verification process. This means I get taken to some third party site (typically Visa or MasterCard) where I have to authenticate using my password and generate a one-time password (pin) on my phone. You can also use a FOB, but I find a phone more practical. After the verification is done, you get taken back to the merchant site. This is the same verification process that is used for online banking.

After living 15 years in the states I found this to be a bit annoying at first, but that had more to do with the speed of the implementation and the fact that it's applet-based (Java and Chrome -- have to switch browsers and hope that you don't lose your session).

If I had to authenticate every time I bought something on Amazon it would get old pretty fast. However, one could simply authenticate once to indicate that this merchant is trusted. A new merchant would trigger the authentication before the transaction can be accepted.

Re: Nearly All U.S. Home Depot Stores Hit By Credit Card Theft

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I'm quite surprised by the blasé attitude the US has to card security. The lack of chip and pin still surprises me. I'm surprised a lot of the bigger retail companies haven't put pressure on the banks to bring this in.

Lack of chip and pin, or use of magnetic stripes instead of ICs?

Re: Nearly All U.S. Home Depot Stores Hit By Credit Card Theft

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post #41

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Having chipped cards would not prevent this. It would slow down criminals cloning cards but the numbers can still easily be used fraudulently online.

In Norway, the most common type of card is a debit card that can also be used as a Visa or MasterCard credit card. The card has a smart chip on the front, and on the back you have your national id number/date of birth, photo and signature, etc. The card is frequently used as an id card. When you pay using the debit card, you have to insert the part of the card with the chip into a reader and enter your pin. Typically…

That is exactly what happens in India too, except that most banks issue debit and credit cards which are typically separate and not combined into a single card. It also does not serve as a national id. Is this not the case in US?

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Where are you from? Around here (Southern California) every card reading machine defaults to debit transactions, where you have to enter your PIN anyway. At least when you do credit cards you don't have to sign them for small purchases any more (less than $50 at Home Depot, for instance). I really can't say I've ever felt frustrated waiting for the person ahead of me to pay (except for maybe old people hand writing c…

Toronto, Canada

I've never used a contactless method. Is it NFC (or something similar)? Is it really faster than swiping your card? I had the impression you still had to do something on your phone to authorize it...

Re: Nearly All U.S. Home Depot Stores Hit By Credit Card Theft

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This is supposed to be much bigger than the Target breach. If this doesn't give the move to the more secure EMV chip and pin method in the US, nothing will.

Having chipped cards would not prevent this. It would slow down criminals cloning cards but the numbers can still easily be used fraudulently online.

Only until October 2015. After that, card issuers will be liable[1] if they accept a fraudulent payment unless the EMV (i.e. chipped) card was present or (for online payments) they authenticated the card holder with 3-D Secure[2].

[1] http://blogs.wsj.com/corporate-intelligence/2014/02/06/octob...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3-D_Secure

Re: Nearly All U.S. Home Depot Stores Hit By Credit Card Theft

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How is http://rescator.cc/ still online and facilitating the transactions when they are clearly selling stolen goods? I assume they are in Russia or similar. Are they using bitcoin, or do they actually use PayPal? Their forum is also utterly amazing, and downrigh scary: https://lampeduza.so/ Would be interesting if payment processors such as Stripe, Braintree, Amazon Payments, and Balanced periodically got CC dumps,…

In my experience, Stripe won't do anything like that. I manage a website that accepts donations. This tends to be a target that fraudsters like to utilize. They'll "donate" small amounts to the non-profit in order to check if the transaction went through. If the transaction was approved, they know the card is still valid. Meanwhile, we're stuck with the fraudulent transaction and have to refund the charge. Now, these…

There is a path where you can report fraudulent activity to your 'merchant financial institution', which will typically be either your IPSP or your bank.

I don't get why stripe can't do this because my IPSP definitely can and we use this daily.

Re: Nearly All U.S. Home Depot Stores Hit By Credit Card Theft

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Toronto, Canada

I've never used a contactless method. Is it NFC (or something similar)? Is it really faster than swiping your card? I had the impression you still had to do something on your phone to authorize it...

Yes it's NFC. No, you don't have to do anything at all except tap your card/wallet against the reader and wait for the beep.

Here's a 1:47m video from MasterCard explaining it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkxxhvVJjuM

Re: Nearly All U.S. Home Depot Stores Hit By Credit Card Theft

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post #38

I'm quite surprised by the blasé attitude the US has to card security. The lack of chip and pin still surprises me. I'm surprised a lot of the bigger retail companies haven't put pressure on the banks to bring this in.

Chip and PIN is scheduled for 2015.

http://www.forbes.com/fdc/welcome_mjx.shtml

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I wish they would deny merchant accounts to merchants too cheap/lazy to roll out contactless payments alongside chip and pin. There's nothing more stupid and frustrating than holding up the line doing chip and pin to buy a $5 meal at Subway.

Here in Europe everything's been chip & pin for longer than I can remember, lines are not held up. Takes seconds.

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Re: Nearly All U.S. Home Depot Stores Hit By Credit Card Theft

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post #38

I'm quite surprised by the blasé attitude the US has to card security. The lack of chip and pin still surprises me. I'm surprised a lot of the bigger retail companies haven't put pressure on the banks to bring this in.

Its not a blase attitude. Its a chicken and egg situation. The credit card companies want to implement it but they need the stores to upgrade their point of sale hardware to accept the new cards. Stores say they won't upgrade their hardware til card companies release the cards
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