"IS", aka Islamic State, does not necessarily mean "Extremist" (and for the record, "IS" is not a synonym for "ISIS")
for the record, "ISIS" changed their name to just "Islamic State".
Diaspora social network cannot stop IS posts
41–50 of 101 posts
Re: Diaspora social network cannot stop IS posts
#42"IS", aka Islamic State, does not necessarily mean "Extremist" (and for the record, "IS" is not a synonym for "ISIS")
I thought ISIS was another name for ISIL and changed their name recently to IS as part of their propaganda about a new caliphate? If not, then what is it?
Re: Diaspora social network cannot stop IS posts
#43"IS", aka Islamic State, does not necessarily mean "Extremist" (and for the record, "IS" is not a synonym for "ISIS")
> In its self-proclaimed status as a caliphate, it claims religious authority over all Muslims across the world and aspires to bring much of the Muslim-inhabited regions of the world under its direct political control, beginning with territory in the Levant region, which includes Jordan, Israel, Palestine, Lebanon, Cyprus, and an area in southern Turkey that includes Hatay. Sounds pretty extreme to me.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_state
Not so much. You are using the definition from an article geared towards ousting extremists -- and therefore their definition is "extreme". An IS can very much-so be a legitimate non-extreme government. (albeit, different from what most of us would prefer as a government)
Re: Diaspora social network cannot stop IS posts
#44"IS", aka Islamic State, does not necessarily mean "Extremist" (and for the record, "IS" is not a synonym for "ISIS")
I thought ISIS was another name for ISIL and changed their name recently to IS as part of their propaganda about a new caliphate? If not, then what is it?
Re: Diaspora social network cannot stop IS posts
#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I think it's a bit weird that instead of using this to promote their values (Decentralization, Freedom, Privacy as mentioned on their landing page [0]) they are essentially pressuring pod admins to take down the content. Yeah that's probably because the ISIS is known for suicide bombings, cutting off heads, video taping it so that the families and friends of the victim can see how gruesome their loved one died, kil…
So it's "Freedom of Speech" (but only if we like it)?
Beheading people is not speech; it's violence. You're arguing for freedom of violence.
Re: Diaspora social network cannot stop IS posts
#46"IS", aka Islamic State, does not necessarily mean "Extremist" (and for the record, "IS" is not a synonym for "ISIS")
for the record, "ISIS" changed their name to just "Islamic State".
Well, there seems to be an unfortunate naming collision then, because Islamic State was already reserved for a type of government: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_state
Re: Diaspora social network cannot stop IS posts
#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
I thought ISIS was another name for ISIL and changed their name recently to IS as part of their propaganda about a new caliphate? If not, then what is it?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_state
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_... The first sentence there says "The Islamic State (IS), formerly known as the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) and the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS), is a jihadist group, widely regarded as a terrorist organisation."
(Edited for clarity)
Re: Diaspora social network cannot stop IS posts
#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
So it's "Freedom of Speech" (but only if we like it)?
To reiterate: * Freedom of speech is freedom of restriction from government. * Calls to violence and videos of murder are not covered by the 1st amendment.
Says who? If you believe the Supreme Court, calls to violence are core political speech (Brandenburg v. Ohio, NAACP v. Claiborne Hardware). I'm not even sure what law distributing videos of murder would break.
Re: Diaspora social network cannot stop IS posts
#49This is like saying "E-Mail cannot stop X mails" or "XMPP cannot stop X chats", which is pretty obvious. The whole point of a decentralized service like Diaspora is that it can't be completely censored. Internet providers could partially block the access to pods that don't censor this kind of content, but then they could setup their own Diaspora pod in a Tor hidden services...
Doesn't it operate as a social network, where some content is available publicly? That would make it a bit different than email...
As I understand it, it's a network of federated servers. The Diaspora team doesn't control the servers, so there's nothing they can do.
Re: Diaspora social network cannot stop IS posts
#50It seems odd to structure a project around freedom of speech, control of your own information, and dilution of central authority, and then act disappointed when it actually gets used for those purposes.
If a group that posts videos of journalist executions can use it without getting shut down, it is certainly usable for any other group that may be unpopular with their local majority: Tibetan nationalists, Falun Gong, breastfeeding moms, cop watchers, Iranian women's rights groups, Ukranian rebels, homosexuals, German Nazis, Quebec secessionists, eco-terrorists, unschoolers, conspiracy theorists, anarchists, red-state liberals, blue-state conservatives, and people who text while driving.
To get the good, you have to take the bad with it. The same Bitcoin that can buy a pizza can also buy a murder. The same typewriter can write both a beautiful poem or an extortion note. A hammer can build a house or crack a skull. A fire can chase away the cold and the dark, or it can burn your home to ash.
The early adopters are going to be the most blatantly offensive, and the most suspiciously paranoid, and the most idealist. The mainstream people already have their mainstream network, and won't see any reason to switch until they find themselves penalized in some way for being different from the owners of the system.
This is good. If someone as nasty as a journalist beheader can't get silenced, I know with reasonable certainty that if I go to Diaspora, there's likely nothing I would ever do myself that would result in me being erased from the network. And I can share information with just my friends, rather than my friends plus all paying Facebook customers.
And in addition to all that, how can you expect to get more jaw-jaw and less war-war if you slap a gag on the other guy every time you see his lips move?